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How many [DI] ?

Poll: How many [DI] do you bid ? (33 member(s) have cast votes)

How many [DI] do you bid ?

  1. 2 [DI] (27 votes [81.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 81.82%

  2. 3 [DI] (3 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  3. 4 [DI] (2 votes [6.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.06%

  4. 5 [DI] (1 votes [3.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.03%

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#1 User is offline   joker_gib 

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Posted 2005-May-11, 01:29

You have :

Scoring: IMP


LHO opens 1♠, your partner double and RHO passes, how many ♦ do you bid ?

(1♠) - X - (P) - ?


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Posted 2005-May-11, 02:05

2D, wtp?

3D promises more strength.
4D as preemtive is open to partneship discussion,
i dont play it that way.
5D, well normally partner will expect, that one bids
game with the intention to make.

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Posted 2005-May-11, 02:23

Looking at the auction and at my hand, I'd say pard has the rock-crusher double, possibly with hearts. Go easy and bid 2D, so as not to preempt PARD :P
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Posted 2005-May-11, 08:14

Agree with whereagles. Don't punish partner and show your lack of honor strength.
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Posted 2005-May-11, 08:20

2♦ at this point we assume the hand belongs to us and we dont want to pre empt our hand
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Posted 2005-May-11, 09:08

Agree with the majority. Something funny is up. Rho PASSED the X? Pard probably has a big NT, or a big heart hand. He doesnt have a normal t/o X unless lho has about 9 spades and 20 points.
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Posted 2005-May-11, 10:31

2♦
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Posted 2005-May-11, 10:59

Well... One option is to bid 2♥ and pass the 4♦ splinter bid by pd :-) Can you run fast enough if pd stands up from his chair?
Just kidding... 2♦ is quite logical.
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Posted 2005-May-11, 11:40

This hand shows one of the reasons why I don't like doubling with off shape or single suited hands that are strong. If you knew that pard could only have the unbid suits or a balanced hand, 2D would not occur to anyone. As it is, we must go slow with 2D on the off chance that pard might have an 18 count, 6 hearts and a stiFf D.
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Posted 2005-May-11, 12:05

I dont think anyone likes Xing with a hand like

Kxx AKQxxx x AKx

but I wonder what the other option is because i cant see it... As for it being an "off chance" that pard has the strong version as opposed to a t/o X i'd say thats almost 100 % given RHOs pass.
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Posted 2005-May-11, 18:01

Why is the double off shape?

IT doesn't have to be
wich means 5♦ might be the winner here, still I will keep with the majority and bid 2♦.
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Posted 2005-May-11, 18:07

Fluffy, on May 12 2005, 03:01 AM, said:

Why is the double off shape?

RHO didn't raise after partner's takeout double...

Whats more likely?

1. Partner is holding a strong hand with short Diamonds. (Typically a big NT oriented hand with a doubleton Dimaond or potentially a strong single suited hand with Spades or Clubs?

2. Both partner and RHO have short Diamonds (This means that LHO has an 8+ card suit)

3. RHO is playing a deep game and concealing his Spade support

Personally, I think that 1 is much more likely
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Posted 2005-May-11, 19:24

2♦ at first,next turn more ♦.
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Posted 2005-May-12, 02:14

What do you do with :

Scoring: IMP


when RHO opens 1♠ :

1♠- ?
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Posted 2005-May-12, 05:59

This is a matter of style, but with that hand personally I double. Next round I'll think whether I bid clubs or not. If I hear the expected 2D, I pass or bid 3C, depending on the tactical situation.
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Posted 2005-May-12, 08:04

joker_gib, on May 12 2005, 03:14 AM, said:

What do you do with :

Scoring: IMP


when RHO opens 1♠ :

1♠- ?

Hi,

I would just overcall 2C, unless you
are playing unlimited overcalls, since
I dont like off shape doubles, and this
one is missing a diamond.

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Posted 2005-May-12, 08:51

joker_gib, on May 12 2005, 04:14 AM, said:

What do you do with :

Dealer: ?????
Vul: None
Scoring: IMP
♠ 98
♥ AK109
♦ J6
♣ AKQ85
 


when RHO opens 1♠ :

1♠- ?

I overcall 1NT (raptor/polish). This shows the other major (most play as four cards) and one minor. It is PERFECT for these kind of hands, the downside is you can no longer overcall 1NT natural. This downside is not nearly as far down as the upside is up on the minor-major 1NT overcall.

Misho has insisted that we add hands that are 5-5 or better to this 1NT overcall. Traditionally I have been a vanilla raptor player. Misho's theory of the RAPTOR with five-five or better is as follows. Overcaller can be 4-5 (on auction like this), with either minor. However, if he has five in the other major, he has a good hand (no crappy 1NT overcalls with 5-5), and he will bid the major over partners response. When holding 5-5, by definition, the minor will be the CHEAPER one (or if they open 1NT, the major will be spades). With 5-5 and the lower two, we use unusual 2NT. So this is a hybrid raptor 1NT/top bottom cue-bid use of 1NT. So far, it has at least been fun to play.
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Posted 2005-May-12, 08:58

Actually, where is Misho? I'm going to Bulgaria next month and would like to know if people there talk english, in case I get lost B)
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Posted 2005-May-12, 09:54

joker_gib, on May 12 2005, 03:14 AM, said:

What do you do with :

Dealer: ?????
Vul: None
Scoring: IMP
♠ 98
♥ AK109
♦ J6
♣ AKQ85
 


when RHO opens 1♠ :

1♠- ?

Three possibilities would come to my mind when I hold this hand and heard RHO opened 1♠: dbl->2♣->2♠. I think I would choose dbl eventually.

After pd's 2♦, I would try 3♣ since I chose to dbl. if pd rebid 3♦, I would pass. For the hand given, pd's 3♦ or pass were acceptable, though pass is preferred.
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Posted 2005-May-12, 15:50

hrothgar, on May 12 2005, 12:07 AM, said:

Fluffy, on May 12 2005, 03:01 AM, said:

Why is the double off shape?

RHO didn't raise after partner's takeout double...

Whats more likely?

1. Partner is holding a strong hand with short Diamonds. (Typically a big NT oriented hand with a doubleton Dimaond or potentially a strong single suited hand with Spades or Clubs?

2. Both partner and RHO have short Diamonds (This means that LHO has an 8+ card suit)

3. RHO is playing a deep game and concealing his Spade support

Personally, I think that 1 is much more likely

What about opener having a strong 1 suiter?

I would bid 2♣ rather than double but its jsut a matter of style, not judgement.
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