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Poll: The three aces poll (32 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you open a 4333 hand with three aces and nothing else?

  1. Yes (30 votes [93.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 93.75%

  2. No (2 votes [6.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

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#1 User is offline   nekthen 

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Posted 2015-May-05, 07:20

I want to know whether people would open first in hand with A76, A76, A76, 7654
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Posted 2015-May-05, 07:29

It is a question of style as much as a question of hand evaluation, isn't it?

If you want to know about what people think of Banzai points you might want to ask whether it is better or worse (or equal to)
KJ6
KJ6
KJ6
7654

or

QJ6
QJ6
QJ6
QJ65

FWIW I would pass those two but I would (just) open with three aces.
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Posted 2015-May-05, 07:31

I passed a hand with three Aces and nothing but spaces once

It did not turn out well at all...
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Posted 2015-May-05, 07:37

Yes I would open this banzai ***** seems totally bizarre to me
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Posted 2015-May-05, 07:54

Dunno, i just open every 11 count, sometimes it tours out bad, but still. 3 aces should still be a goodish 12, so I would.
The only reason i would not open that hand although is if i would playing a style where I pass all 11 bal and some 12 bal,(Like say a 12-15 NT, where you skip on bad 12)
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Posted 2015-May-05, 08:07

There are so many horrible things I know that pds can do to each other.
Coming from pass with 3 bullets is probably one of the worse if not the worst.
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Posted 2015-May-05, 09:48

There's an old story that I've heard attributed to at least four different players, but most consistently to John Collings, who was reported to have passed a hand with seven solid spades intending to "walk the dog". When the hand had been passed out, he asked his partner "did you have much?" The reply came back: "No, just a bare three aces".
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Posted 2015-May-05, 10:04

View Postgordontd, on 2015-May-05, 09:48, said:

There's an old story that I've heard attributed to at least four different players, but most consistently to John Collings, who was reported to have passed a hand with seven solid spades intending to "walk the dog". When the hand had been passed out, he asked his partner "did you have much?" The reply came back: "No, just a bare three aces".


We scored 3N v a passout where partner opened 1N with the 3 bare aces (actually in second seat), I had KQJ10xx and an ace and put dummy down saying "when I pass 1N partner always has 3 bare aces".

I'm much happier opening the OP's hand 1N than if I have to open 1 of a minor and let opps in at the 1 level with hands that would pass over 1N.

When I heard Gordon's story it was either 9 or 10 solid spades.
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Posted 2015-May-05, 10:35

View PostCyberyeti, on 2015-May-05, 10:04, said:

When I heard Gordon's story it was either 9 or 10 solid spades.

I think you're right - I mis-remembered.
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Posted 2015-May-05, 11:00

View Postnekthen, on 2015-May-05, 07:20, said:

I want to know whether people would open first in hand with A76, A76, A76, 7654

I wouldn't want to PD anyone who'd pass this.
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Posted 2015-May-05, 12:38

View Postnekthen, on 2015-May-05, 07:20, said:

I want to know whether people would open first in hand with A 7 6 A7 6, A 7 6 7 6 5 4
IMO 1N = 10, Pass = 6. Agree with Culbertson, who said you should open with 3 quick tricks e.g.
A K x x A x x x x x x x x
In a previous thread, Mr Ace explained how, in seats 1 & 2, passing on such hands, can present partner with unnecessary problems
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Posted 2015-May-05, 13:27

View Postnige1, on 2015-May-05, 12:38, said:

IMO 1N = 10, Pass = 6. Agree with Culbertson, who said you should open with 3 quick tricks e.g.
A K x x A x x x x x x x x
In a previous thread, Mr Ace explained how, in seats 1 & 2, passing on such hands, can present partner with unnecessary problems


What ratings would you give if you had to open 1m rather than 1N ?
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Posted 2015-May-05, 14:38

View Posthelene_t, on 2015-May-05, 07:29, said:

It is a question of style as much as a question of hand evaluation, isn't it?

If you want to know about what people think of Banzai points you might want to ask whether it is better or worse (or equal to)
KJ6
KJ6
KJ6
7654

or

QJ6
QJ6
QJ6
QJ65

FWIW I would pass those two but I would (just) open with three aces.

I open all 12 pt hands I don't care how bad they are. in post and these 2 examples have easy 1N rebid. wouldn't be happy opening last example but would.
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Posted 2015-May-05, 14:39

View Postnige1, on 2015-May-05, 12:38, said:

IMO 1N = 10, Pass = 6. Agree with Culbertson, who said you should open with 3 quick tricks e.g.
A K x x A x x x x x x x x
In a previous thread, Mr Ace explained how, in seats 1 & 2, passing on such hands, can present partner with unnecessary problems


if I opened 7N on a yarborough what would that score me on the nige1 scale?
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Posted 2015-May-05, 15:30

If playing a weak NT, some argue that this hand has little playing strength. But, just because you start with a NT bid, doesn't mean you will play the hand in NTs. Aces are usually worth more than 4, not less in suit contracts. The key is partner holding fitting honours to complement your aces. I open 1NT.
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Posted 2015-May-05, 15:40

View PostCyberyeti, on 2015-May-05, 13:27, said:

What ratings would you give if you had to open 1m rather than 1N ?
IMO 1 = 10, Pass = 5.

View Posteagles123, on 2015-May-05, 14:39, said:

if I opened 7N on a yarborough what would that score me on the nige1 scale?
Unless 7N made or you were dealt 14 cards, I wouldn't give it many marks :) Whatever the result, the tournament-director would have something to say :(
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Posted 2015-May-05, 16:25

There is a famous story from the 30's or 40's(?) where our hero playing rubber bridge passed 10 solid and 3 stiffs. When it was passed out he asked his partner what he had and he said "Nothing, just 3 bald Aces".

I don't open flat as a pancake 4x3's .... except for this one.
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Posted 2015-May-05, 16:31

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Posted 2015-May-05, 22:56

I'll open any hand with 3 QTs.
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Posted 2015-May-06, 10:35

I play a weak NT, 90% of the time...so even if I had a fear of Aces and spaces, there's nothing to think about.

No, correct that. Playing EHAA, my weak NT is 10-12. So, is this too strong? I don't think so for 4333, especially when the 4-card suit is the aceless one. 4432, with the 3-card suit aceless? Much more interesting question.
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