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Posted 2012-November-14, 17:38

White vs Red, Cavendish:

♠Ax
♥AQx
♦xx
♣AQJxxx

1♣-1♦
???

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2012-November-14, 18:17

2NT.
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Posted 2012-November-14, 18:33

3♣
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Posted 2012-November-14, 18:37

prefer 2nt with no shortness, even if we assume pard wont have a 4 card major unless a gf hand.
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Posted 2012-November-14, 18:39

3♣ > 2NT
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.

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Posted 2012-November-14, 20:24

3♣ on the conditions.

Probably 2N screwing around at the local club.
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Posted 2012-November-14, 20:50

Today I was way off with my evaluation (as usual?):

♠AK87
♥Axx
♦Axxxx
♣x

P-1♦-P-1♠
P-???

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2012-November-14, 21:23

 Hanoi5, on 2012-November-14, 20:50, said:

Today I was way off with my evaluation (as usual?):

♠AK87
♥Axx
♦Axxxx
♣x

P-1♦-P-1♠
P-???

Not sure what this hand has to do with the title, but we have a 3♠ rebid available to show an unbalanced intermediate hand with 4-card spade support. Maybe a bit old fashioned, but...
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Posted 2012-November-14, 21:57

 Hanoi5, on 2012-November-14, 20:50, said:

Today I was way off with my evaluation (as usual?):

♠AK87
♥Axx
♦Axxxx
♣x

P-1♦-P-1♠
P-???


Uh, does this fit in this thread?
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Posted 2012-November-14, 23:22

 Hanoi5, on 2012-November-14, 20:50, said:

Today I was way off with my evaluation (as usual?):

♠AK87
♥Axx
♦Axxxx
♣x

P-1♦-P-1♠
P-???



assume the issue is between 3s or 4c?
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Posted 2012-November-15, 03:03

2 NT and 3 ♣ are not insane in the first example,

3 ♠ is not insane in the second one.
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Posted 2012-November-15, 05:08

 Codo, on 2012-November-15, 03:03, said:

2 NT and 3 ♣ are not insane in the first example


So, are 2NT and 3♣ equivalent? I believe 2NT shows 18-19 while 3♣ 15-17, shall partner bid 3NT over both rebids with:

♠Tx
♥Kxx
♦ATxxx
♣8xx

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2012-November-15, 05:25

If 3 ♣ is 15-17, you at least meet the HCP criteria, but your hand is for sure too strong. What will you do with an unbalanced club one suiter with 18-19 then? Whatever you do, if you decide to treat the hand as not balanced, you should choose that bid... I have no idea, what is common sense and I play the jump as 16-18, so I could rebid with this hand 3 ♣.

But of course, I would choose 2 NT, because this shows the real nature of the hand.

With partners hand, I would rebid 3 ♥ over 3 ♣- showing a stopper, asking for help in spades and 3 NT over 2 NT.
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Posted 2012-November-15, 05:25

2N, a heavy 3♣ and a slightly underweight 3N (if you play it as this sort of hand) are all not insane on the original.

On the second hand, this is a potentially huge hand. I want to be in game opposite a lot of hands where partner won't accept an invite (and might not even respond to 1♦) QJxxx, x, xxx, xxxx would seem to give me chances for example. What's the worst that could happen ? something like Jxxx, xxx, Jx, KJxx where you might not make 3. Teams or pairs ? Pairs probably 3♠, teams I think I'm committing to game, depends on agreements on what splinters show as to whether I can afford to splinter.
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Posted 2012-November-15, 05:37

3C (kinda like 2NT though), 3S. To be honest the second hand doesn't look that great to me.

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Posted 2012-November-15, 05:42

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Posted 2012-November-15, 09:58

2NT on the first
4♣ on the second one. It pays to overbid slightly and 4♣ is only a slight overbid to describe your hand.

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Posted 2012-November-15, 10:02

3♣. This hand looks a lot more like 15(+)-18(-) with six good clubs than a balanced 18-19 with 3334.

3♠ is obvious on the 2nd.
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Posted 2012-November-15, 11:08

I learned 3♣ as 16-18, don't know where 15-17 came from. I would rebid 2♣ with 11-15, which of course has a wider range since there is more room to invite over it.

As for this particular hand I am not saying 2NT is insane but I don't know why you would do it. If partner is passing our bid I'd probably rather be in 3♣ than 2NT. If partner is bidding over it then I don't see what 2NT gained for me. It's not like opening 1NT on a slightly worse hand, where I get the advantages of preemption and hiding my shape. They already aren't bidding and they know I have clubs. Is it just a matter of fooling them a little?
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Posted 2012-November-15, 11:25

Good post, Josh. I figured you would be too busy plotting with the LV clowns to win the $20 bet about Stayman from JLall.
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