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Posted 2012-November-10, 18:17
IMPs, strong opponents. Partner's first double is takeout, second is "cards." What's your plan?
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Posted 2012-November-10, 20:30
Would have bid the first time and bid 4h now
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Posted 2012-November-10, 21:21
Failing to bid 2H the first time is weird. 4H is clear now.
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Posted 2012-November-11, 04:32
Here it is, i said in the past to those who believed bidding 2♥ in a similar auction, a free bid, requires a hand that would jump bid 2♥ had RHO passed, which i disagreed. I stand still by my previous opinion, i would have bid 2♥ at the first place. And i would have bid only 1♥ if RHO passed with this hand.
Now 4♥...what else ?
Now 4♥...what else ?
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Posted 2012-November-11, 05:54
I wouldn't have bid 2♥ previous round but its close for me (strenght equal to 7 balanced would be my minimum, this shape almost makes it)
Can't see the alternative to 4♥ now.
Can't see the alternative to 4♥ now.
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Posted 2012-November-16, 19:29
Thanks to Adam for reposting the hand here, and to all who have replied. I was East on this hand. I have a few follow-up questions:
1. What is the expected range / playing strength for the 2♥ bid? If you choose to bid 2♥ with the hand in question, what would you do with
1a. xxx KQxxx x Axxx
1b. xx KQxxx xx Axxx
1c. xxx KQxx xx Axxx
2. Opposite this 2♥ bid, if the bidding continues with 3♦ by opener, do you expect the takeout doubler to compete holding only 3♥? Should X there by takeout doubler be maximal double?
3. Back to the hand in question, if you bid 2♥ now, and bidding continues 3♦ - P - P, will you bid 3♥? What if it is MP?
The full hand at the table:
I was not sure how wide range 2♥ should be, and decided to pass and hoped for a second change to bid (I was planning to bid 3♥ after 3♦ - P - P). I decided to jump to 4♥ over the second double because my hand was too good then. ♦A was offside so we went one down.
The failure to bid 2♥ the first round put us way behind in the bidding. I think bidding 2♥ is good bridge and would like to know how people handle the follow-ups as well as how would they handle stronger hands than the one in question.
Thanks.
1. What is the expected range / playing strength for the 2♥ bid? If you choose to bid 2♥ with the hand in question, what would you do with
1a. xxx KQxxx x Axxx
1b. xx KQxxx xx Axxx
1c. xxx KQxx xx Axxx
2. Opposite this 2♥ bid, if the bidding continues with 3♦ by opener, do you expect the takeout doubler to compete holding only 3♥? Should X there by takeout doubler be maximal double?
3. Back to the hand in question, if you bid 2♥ now, and bidding continues 3♦ - P - P, will you bid 3♥? What if it is MP?
The full hand at the table:
I was not sure how wide range 2♥ should be, and decided to pass and hoped for a second change to bid (I was planning to bid 3♥ after 3♦ - P - P). I decided to jump to 4♥ over the second double because my hand was too good then. ♦A was offside so we went one down.
The failure to bid 2♥ the first round put us way behind in the bidding. I think bidding 2♥ is good bridge and would like to know how people handle the follow-ups as well as how would they handle stronger hands than the one in question.
Thanks.
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Posted 2012-November-17, 05:28
Looks like a normal 1NT overcall to me (hello, easy auction!) so I'll assume that you are playing some system that prevents 1NT.
I think the complete auction should then go
1C - Dbl - 2D - 2H
3D - Dbl - p - 3H
all pass
The second double just shows a strong hand without 4 hearts. Opener's hand is not good enough to act a third time imo.
I think the complete auction should then go
1C - Dbl - 2D - 2H
3D - Dbl - p - 3H
all pass
The second double just shows a strong hand without 4 hearts. Opener's hand is not good enough to act a third time imo.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-November-17, 06:27
I agree with Han's comments. In answer to your other questions:
I'd bid 4♥ with the first one, 3♥ with the second, and 2♥ with the third. The range of 2♥ is fairly wide, because we have to be able to compete on hands like in the original post, but we can't afford to jump around on a hand like your third example.
No, I wouldn't bid again voluntarily on the East hand. It's only a 4-count, and partner is allowed to have diamond wastage.
sieong, on 2012-November-16, 19:29, said:
1. What is the expected range / playing strength for the 2♥ bid? If you choose to bid 2♥ with the hand in question, what would you do with
1a. xxx KQxxx x Axxx
1b. xx KQxxx xx Axxx
1c. xxx KQxx xx Axxx
1a. xxx KQxxx x Axxx
1b. xx KQxxx xx Axxx
1c. xxx KQxx xx Axxx
I'd bid 4♥ with the first one, 3♥ with the second, and 2♥ with the third. The range of 2♥ is fairly wide, because we have to be able to compete on hands like in the original post, but we can't afford to jump around on a hand like your third example.
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3. Back to the hand in question, if you bid 2♥ now, and bidding continues 3♦ - P - P, will you bid 3♥? What if it is MP?
No, I wouldn't bid again voluntarily on the East hand. It's only a 4-count, and partner is allowed to have diamond wastage.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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