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Posted 2012-November-14, 17:38

White vs Red, Cavendish:

Ax
AQx
xx
AQJxxx

1-1
???

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Posted 2012-November-14, 18:17

2NT.
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Posted 2012-November-14, 18:33

3
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Posted 2012-November-14, 18:37

prefer 2nt with no shortness, even if we assume pard wont have a 4 card major unless a gf hand.
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Posted 2012-November-14, 18:39

3 > 2NT
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Posted 2012-November-14, 20:24

3 on the conditions.

Probably 2N screwing around at the local club.
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Posted 2012-November-14, 20:50

Today I was way off with my evaluation (as usual?):

AK87
Axx
Axxxx
x

P-1-P-1
P-???

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2012-November-14, 21:23

View PostHanoi5, on 2012-November-14, 20:50, said:

Today I was way off with my evaluation (as usual?):

AK87
Axx
Axxxx
x

P-1-P-1
P-???

Not sure what this hand has to do with the title, but we have a 3 rebid available to show an unbalanced intermediate hand with 4-card spade support. Maybe a bit old fashioned, but...
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Posted 2012-November-14, 21:57

View PostHanoi5, on 2012-November-14, 20:50, said:

Today I was way off with my evaluation (as usual?):

AK87
Axx
Axxxx
x

P-1-P-1
P-???


Uh, does this fit in this thread?
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Posted 2012-November-14, 23:22

View PostHanoi5, on 2012-November-14, 20:50, said:

Today I was way off with my evaluation (as usual?):

AK87
Axx
Axxxx
x

P-1-P-1
P-???



assume the issue is between 3s or 4c?
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Posted 2012-November-15, 03:03

2 NT and 3 are not insane in the first example,

3 is not insane in the second one.
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Posted 2012-November-15, 05:08

View PostCodo, on 2012-November-15, 03:03, said:

2 NT and 3 are not insane in the first example


So, are 2NT and 3 equivalent? I believe 2NT shows 18-19 while 3 15-17, shall partner bid 3NT over both rebids with:

Tx
Kxx
ATxxx
8xx

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Posted 2012-November-15, 05:25

If 3 is 15-17, you at least meet the HCP criteria, but your hand is for sure too strong. What will you do with an unbalanced club one suiter with 18-19 then? Whatever you do, if you decide to treat the hand as not balanced, you should choose that bid... I have no idea, what is common sense and I play the jump as 16-18, so I could rebid with this hand 3 .

But of course, I would choose 2 NT, because this shows the real nature of the hand.

With partners hand, I would rebid 3 over 3 - showing a stopper, asking for help in spades and 3 NT over 2 NT.
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Posted 2012-November-15, 05:25

2N, a heavy 3 and a slightly underweight 3N (if you play it as this sort of hand) are all not insane on the original.

On the second hand, this is a potentially huge hand. I want to be in game opposite a lot of hands where partner won't accept an invite (and might not even respond to 1) QJxxx, x, xxx, xxxx would seem to give me chances for example. What's the worst that could happen ? something like Jxxx, xxx, Jx, KJxx where you might not make 3. Teams or pairs ? Pairs probably 3, teams I think I'm committing to game, depends on agreements on what splinters show as to whether I can afford to splinter.
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Posted 2012-November-15, 05:37

3C (kinda like 2NT though), 3S. To be honest the second hand doesn't look that great to me.

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Posted 2012-November-15, 05:42

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Posted 2012-November-15, 09:58

2NT on the first
4 on the second one. It pays to overbid slightly and 4 is only a slight overbid to describe your hand.

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Posted 2012-November-15, 10:02

3. This hand looks a lot more like 15(+)-18(-) with six good clubs than a balanced 18-19 with 3334.

3 is obvious on the 2nd.
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Posted 2012-November-15, 11:08

I learned 3 as 16-18, don't know where 15-17 came from. I would rebid 2 with 11-15, which of course has a wider range since there is more room to invite over it.

As for this particular hand I am not saying 2NT is insane but I don't know why you would do it. If partner is passing our bid I'd probably rather be in 3 than 2NT. If partner is bidding over it then I don't see what 2NT gained for me. It's not like opening 1NT on a slightly worse hand, where I get the advantages of preemption and hiding my shape. They already aren't bidding and they know I have clubs. Is it just a matter of fooling them a little?
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Posted 2012-November-15, 11:25

Good post, Josh. I figured you would be too busy plotting with the LV clowns to win the $20 bet about Stayman from JLall.
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