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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-February-12, 04:32

xx
Ax
Qxxx
Axxxx

with a few spots here and there

1 by partner (<-dealer at favorable IMP), 4 by RHO, to you
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Posted 2008-February-12, 04:50

dbl, wtp?
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Posted 2008-February-12, 04:51

Double.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 05:09

Reluctant double.
This is a takeout double, and I really hate doing this on a doubleton spade, but it is difficult to pass with all these Aces. Perhaps Pass would be better, though.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 07:03

Agree with Nuno. X wtp?
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Posted 2008-February-12, 09:13

Double
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Posted 2008-February-12, 09:26

Easy double (which doesn't mean it is the perfect hand for it).
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Posted 2008-February-12, 10:37

Yes double, perfect hand for it.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-12, 10:40

Double and happy with it.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 10:44

Easy X. Don't roll over and die, it may be a double game hand, or they may just be down a couple (4S with 8 tricks is certainly reasonable). If you pass you will get stolen from too much.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 10:52

Double. Easier at other vulnerabilities. Prepared to scribble -790 on my private.

Someone once said, "believe your red/white opps"
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Posted 2008-February-12, 11:00

Easy cardshowing double here.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 14:41

they made 6NT= :rolleyes:

oh no, they just made a NV 6NT=.

pd had

Qx
KT98x
xx
KQJx
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Posted 2008-February-12, 14:56

What was double?

If double was takeout, partner has an easy 5.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 15:25

pclayton, on Feb 12 2008, 11:52 AM, said:

Double. Easier at other vulnerabilities. Prepared to scribble -790 on my private.

Someone once said, "believe your red/white opps"

Believing them means they have 10 tricks for their red/white 4S bid? I guess we should always save when they bid 4S red/white. I guess X should never be passed and should just get taken out every time since RHO always has 10 tricks...
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Posted 2008-February-12, 15:27

655321, on Feb 12 2008, 03:56 PM, said:

What was double?

If double was takeout, partner has an easy 5.

Really don't agree. Just because a double does not show a trump stack does not mean partner should randomly pull to the 5 level. He must act on the assumption you can beat them and his pulling must be with the expectation to pass. You would X on Kxx Axx KQx xxxx as well. Passing with partners hand is normal.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 15:35

Jlall, on Feb 12 2008, 04:27 PM, said:

655321, on Feb 12 2008, 03:56 PM, said:

What was double?

If double was takeout, partner has an easy 5.

Really don't agree. Just because a double does not show a trump stack does not mean partner should randomly pull to the 5 level. He must act on the assumption you can beat them and his pulling must be with the expectation to pass. You would X on Kxx Axx KQx xxxx as well. Passing with partners hand is normal.

I would pass with Kxx Axx KQx xxxx.
I play double of 4 as takeout, not cards. I dislike having as many as 2 spades for this double, I certainly won't have Kxx.

Agree that if double is just cards, and could include Kxx spade, that opener's pass is correct. Also, I would pass the double as opener (nowhere to go) with Qx KT98x xxx KQJ. But on the actual hand I believe bidding is correct opposite a takeout double.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 16:15

Ok I think you are losing a ton if you pass on good balanced hands then in order to keep your X as pure takeout. Good balanced hands are the most common hand type that I see, so I am happy to double with those. If partner took out my X after I Xed with the hand I gave I would feel confident that he has decent chances in 5H.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 16:25

655321, on Feb 13 2008, 09:56 AM, said:

What was double?

If double was takeout, partner has an easy 5.

Pass is clear over this double.

Double even if 'takeout' at this level does not show 4+=4+ in the minors. Therefore bidding with some minimum 5-4-2-2 hand is asking for disaster.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 16:29

As always agree with Nuno and Ron.
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