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Posted 2008-February-12, 19:38

This is perhaps going to sound like a silly question, but someone insists on evidence that their rather ridiculous views are wrong. Please describe responder's hand with as much accuracy as you care in the following 2/1 auction, opps silent, dealer opening:

1♠-2♥-2♠-3♦-3NT AP
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Posted 2008-February-12, 19:41

5♥, 4-5♦, debatable as to whether or not a hand with 5-4 should show extras. I thought yes, but have now persuaded myself maybe not.

(This is assuming 2♥ is a 100% GF. If it is not, then 3♦ can be bid on lots of hands that just have hearts and need to force.)
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Posted 2008-February-12, 19:43

This is a very vanilla sequence. I would say responder is probably a 1=5=5=2, 2=5=5=1, 2=5=4=2 or 0=5=5=3 and a few other possible shapes. Roughly 12 - 16 count or so.

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Posted 2008-February-12, 19:46

Typical hand might be 5 hearts, 4 diamonds, no club stopper.
An example of a hand that would bid this way is x AKJxx KQTx xxx
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 19:48

pclayton, on Feb 12 2008, 08:43 PM, said:

This is a very vanilla sequence.

Hence the "stupid question" part. However, perhaps the weight of #s will convince where argument failed, so I appreciate the responses :)
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Posted 2008-February-12, 20:16

In a GF auction, everybody bids suits. No question about it. No need for temporizing force. 3♦ is 100% natural. It shows a bunch of diamonds (in this case, 4 or 5), at most equal at length as hearts.



ps: 3♦ would show only values if 2♥ wasn't GF.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 20:22

looks natural to me. probably shouldn't even promise extras
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Posted 2008-February-12, 20:47

matmat, on Feb 13 2008, 03:22 PM, said:

looks natural to me. probably shouldn't even promise extras

I don't think it can show extras.

What else would you bid with 1=5=4=3 or 1=5=5=2 with three-small or two-small clubs?
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Posted 2008-February-12, 21:16

responder has 5+H 4+D and a GF and less than 3 spades.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 03:53

what he said
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Posted 2008-February-13, 06:44

Hi,

#1 Your request is nor silly.

#2 Usually at least 12HCP, +5 hearts, +4 diamonds
(hearts at least as long as diamonds),
at most 3 clubs, at most 2 spades, unbalanced

+4 diamonds is not 100% clear, in case a 3H bid
could be passed, sometimes responder may be
forced to invent a bid
If 3H cant be passed, this would not be necessary.

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