No clubs partner?
#1
Posted Yesterday, 20:05
Before West has a chance to answer, North answers for him, "no, he has no clubs"
E/W object. What can the Director do?
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
#2
Posted Yesterday, 21:05
If declarer is really out of clubs, the only person who benefits from the information that North already knew the club split is surely declarer, so E/W should be better off.
#3
Posted Yesterday, 23:45
jillybean, on 2026-May-17, 20:05, said:
Before West has a chance to answer, North answers for him, "no, he has no clubs"
E/W object. What can the Director do?
Tell N to keep his mouth shut, phrase it more friendly.
But given that the hidden hand showed out, the split is obv. too both defenders, i.e. there is no UI.
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#4
Posted Today, 02:30
kerkido, on 2026-May-17, 21:05, said:
If declarer is really out of clubs, the only person who benefits from the information that North already knew the club split is surely declarer, so E/W should be better off.
Including when his club is stuck to a spade?
#5
Posted Today, 06:20
jillybean, on 2026-May-17, 20:05, said:
Before West has a chance to answer, North answers for him, "no, he has no clubs"
E/W object. What can the Director do?
She can start by verifying if West has no clubs.
#6
Posted Today, 07:30
pescetom, on 2026-May-18, 06:20, said:
Thanks, no clubs.
If N/S regain the lead, are there any lead restrictions?
Have we boarded the #16 after this poorly conceived comment by North?
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
#7
Posted Today, 08:36
jillybean, on 2026-May-18, 07:30, said:
If N/S regain the lead, are there any lead restrictions?
Have we boarded the #16 after this poorly conceived comment by North?
If the fact that North "knew" transmitted meaningful UI then there are all the consequences. NS can both see the dummy and count the joint holdings of partner plus Declarer. Probably North knew (or imagined) the initial club holding of South. Now that West is known for certain to have none then South knows the remaining and initial club holdings of North, in any case. Probably North was just showing off, but maybe he wanted to draw attention to clubs for some reason: I would look at the diagram and examine auction and play so far before deciding about restriction. The board is certainly going to be finished, at very worst I may have to throw out the score obtained at table if I later realise I decided wrongly.
#8
Posted Today, 08:52
Is a minimal PP in order? (N/S are an experienced pair)
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
#9
Posted Today, 08:59
jillybean, on 2026-May-18, 08:52, said:
Is a minimal PP in order? (N/S are an experienced pair)
It's borderline for me. If it was obvious to North from the auction or whatever then I would just tell him off. If there was any hint of waking up partner or disrespect for the opponents then yes.
#10
Posted Today, 09:21
This is theoretically UI to South, but since it's equivalent to the AI they get from declarer confirming that they have no clubs, I don't see how there can be any damage.
If declarer does find a club in their hand, something else is wrong -- either the board has been fouled, or North miscounted their clubs.
Either way, North's comment is inappropriate. If they have a habit of doing this, a PP would be appropriate to try to cure them of it. First time, just warn them not to make extraneous comments.
#11
Posted Today, 09:43
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft

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