[mike777]

Imps Both NV

P=1H=P=?

Txxxx..VOID...Txxxx..xxx

[apollo1201]

Undoubled NV tricks are cheap. And they might save us by bidding something. If it goes X pass pass, time to think.

Yes, in an ideal world, you bid 1S, they pass throughout, and you rebid 2S over partner s 1NT and concede 100 when teammates are +400. But most of the times, partner bids 2NT or 3H (or worse) and will not like dummy.

The ideal world happened to me once on a slightly stronger hand (QJ 5th void 3 small 5 small) but it was a weak field.

[Cyberyeti]

Playing what I think you play, pass, playing what I play, 1♠.

[jillybean]

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When I pickup this hand I am already thinking what my response will be to an opening bid, I now pass in tempo.

[jillybean]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-January-10, 08:39, said:

Playing what I think you play, pass, playing what I play, 1♠.

alerted?

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2025-January-10, 08:45, said:

alerted?

nope, for some reason I don't believe it needs to be here, I know 1♣-P-1♥ wasn't alertable on xxx, xxxx, xx, xxxx.

[mike777]

Thank you for the responses so far, appreciated.

I encourage more exposition.

I post this hand type under interesting hands but it really qualifies as fascinating for me.

One more reason to love this game, discuss bridge, debate it and learn new viewpoints

The posters here in the forums are very sharp, really informed and always interesting..

[Cyberyeti]

More exposition, 3433 or 44(32) 15-19 is quite a likely hand shape in my system of 4M weak NT, and 3♠ will play better than 1♥ most of the time

If partner has a strong NT 15-19 without 4♠ I can bid 2♦ over it which shows a heap with 5 spades and 4-5 diamonds

[mw64ahw]

Pass.
I can show 5+ ♠, but with a void in ♥ what is the likelihood opener rebids them?

[jdiana]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-January-10, 09:16, said:

nope, for some reason I don't believe it needs to be here, I know 1♣-P-1♥ wasn't alertable on xxx, xxxx, xx, xxxx.

Under the ACBL's rules, I think these bids would only be alertable if they're not forcing. It's kind of interesting that there are no alert requirements based on strength (or lack thereof). Playing online, I think it would be good sportsmanship to say "could have 0 points" if that's your agreement.

[mike777]

 Cyberyeti, on 2025-January-10, 09:40, said:

More exposition, 3433 or 44(32) 15-19 is quite a likely hand shape in my system of 4M weak NT, and 3♠ will play better than 1♥ most of the time

If partner has a strong NT 15-19 without 4♠ I can bid 2♦ over it which shows a heap with 5 spades and 4-5 diamonds

Have you taken this analysis further, deeper, wider?
For example,
With a void in partner's opening one level suit, never pass?

[mike777]

 mw64ahw, on 2025-January-10, 09:43, said:

Pass.
I can show 5+ ♠, but with a void in ♥ what is the likelihood opener rebids them?

I am not a mathematician but the calculations should be doable.
Say approximately 45%

[Cyberyeti]

mike777, on 2025-January-10, 11:31, said:

Have you taken this analysis further, deeper, wider?
For example,
With a void in partner's opening one level suit, never pass?

We don't bid 1N as light as this (or obviously at the 2 level), we don't play WJS so it has to be biddable at the one level for a start