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Rebidding 6-4 shapes
#1
Posted 2023-March-25, 02:40
Playing 2/1, 1) Does S’s bid show the 6-4 shape? 2. Is S strong enough to make this bid? Should he pass 3D? 3. Is it better (especially playing pairs) for S to rebid his spades instead of 2D? Thanks.
#2
Posted 2023-March-25, 07:29
Please edit this post (the bidding makes no sense).
I think you meant:
1♠ p 1NT p 2♦ p 3♦ p 3♠ - ?
In my partnerships this shows 6-4 and game try. However looks like you need partner to fit spades (2-cards) and have 2 1/2 cover cards (he probably is not that strong - depends how the partnership plays the raise to 3!d).
I think you meant:
1♠ p 1NT p 2♦ p 3♦ p 3♠ - ?
In my partnerships this shows 6-4 and game try. However looks like you need partner to fit spades (2-cards) and have 2 1/2 cover cards (he probably is not that strong - depends how the partnership plays the raise to 3!d).
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C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)
Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape.
#3
Posted 2023-March-25, 08:35
Assuming 2/1:
1. Yes.
2. No. 3♦ is just a "courtesy raise", not a strong invite like 2N or 3♠ would be.
3. Debatable.
1. Yes.
2. No. 3♦ is just a "courtesy raise", not a strong invite like 2N or 3♠ would be.
3. Debatable.
#4
Posted 2023-March-25, 09:17
"Standard" is that you rebid 2S with weaker hands and 2D with stronger ones. Usually, a hand that rebids 2D with a 6-4 shape will be one that is strong enough to always take a 3rd bid. I think this hand is not strong enough to rebid 2D, though it would be strong enough if that KC was in one of the long suits.
#5
Posted 2023-March-25, 11:11
portia2, on 2023-March-25, 02:40, said:
Playing 2/1, 1) Does S’s bid show the 6-4 shape? 2. Is S strong enough to make this bid? Should he pass 3D? 3. Is it better (especially playing pairs) for S to rebid his spades instead of 2D? Thanks.
3S is very poor. You have a minimum hand (counting the club king as full value is an error) and your long suits are weak.
Akwoo is correct that the standard treatment with 6=4, where the 4 card suit is lower ranked and can be bid at the 2-level, is that bidding 6 then 4 then 6 shows extra values…I’d expect a good 14…this isn’t close to a good 14
And, if it were, I’d still not rebid spades after 3D.
The time I’d bid spades, diamonds and spades would be, as an example, 1S 2C 2D 2N 3S
or 1S 1N 2D 2N 3S
Definitely not after a raise to 3D on the given auction unless I had something close to a jumpshift where I chose not to bid 3S over 1N. So maybe KQ109xx Ax AQxx x
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#6
Posted 2023-March-25, 18:54
3D is not a courtesy raise but shows a good 10 count. 3S is an overbid on this hand as you C king may be pulling no weight and your spades are not that good.
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