[AL78]

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[helene_t]

yes, I double.

[LBengtsson]

 helene_t, on 2022-November-03, 08:16, said:

yes, I double.

I agree with this though the slight reservation is if the opps. outbid us, declarer will have a idea of the distribution, and may play the hand differently due to my X.

[jillybean]

If I double my partner will bid 4♦

[pescetom]

 jillybean, on 2022-November-03, 13:11, said:

If I double my partner will bid 4♦

In which case I double again, replaced by 5♣ if TD allows

Seriously, I think it is a no-brainer to double, especially at this vulnerability.
4♦ is not what you were hoping for, but no disaster.

[mikeh]

 jillybean, on 2022-November-03, 13:11, said:

If I double my partner will bid 4♦

When you doubled, you were hoping for good things to happen. This wasn’t a great thing, but you don’t have any call other than an in tempo pass, not revealing by tempo or body language that this wasn’t what you were hoping for.

[Cyberyeti]

 LBengtsson, on 2022-November-03, 13:02, said:

I agree with this though the slight reservation is if the opps. outbid us, declarer will have a idea of the distribution, and may play the hand differently due to my X.

My reservation is different, opener was about to bid 4 and redoubles with partner having a 3532 yarborough. I've done this and collected 1700 before (the best available result for them was 3♥xx= vul, 4♥-1 at the other table)

[AL78]

I reluctantly decided not to come in as I thought if they are at least thinking about bidding game, partner hasn't got much so I might be sticking my neck out too much. This was a mistake:

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5♣ is only one down compared to the making 4♥. One pair found the sac and I guess the other pair found it but the opps bid on to 5♥=.

[LBengtsson]

I just do not get how West can only bid 3♥ on this hand, even if the opps. are using Acol. 3♥ invitational? That is just crazy!

The question remains if the auction goes 1♥ - 4♥ do you still X at favorable vulnerability? Even I feel a bit hesitant about that, at a level higher.

[AL78]

 LBengtsson, on 2022-November-04, 05:21, said:

I just do not get how West can only bid 3♥ on this hand, even if the opps. are using Acol. 3♥ invitational? That is just crazy!

The question remains if the auction goes 1♥ - 4♥ do you still X at favorable vulnerability? Even I feel a bit hesitant about that, at a level higher.

She reasoned the hand was worth a constructive invitational to game bid based on the losing trick count so bid 3♥ invitational on that basis. I'd be more inclined to come in if RHO had raise directly to game as this normally shows a weak distributional hand with a big trump fit, which means a good trump fit our way and partner is very likely to have some values.

[AL78]

 LBengtsson, on 2022-November-04, 05:21, said:

I just do not get how West can only bid 3♥ on this hand, even if the opps. are using Acol. 3♥ invitational? That is just crazy!

Well it convinced me to make the wrong decision. There are still occasional big holes in my judgement in competitive auctions.

[Douglas43]

 AL78, on 2022-November-04, 05:41, said:

She reasoned the hand was worth a constructive invitational to game bid based on the losing trick count so bid 3♥ invitational on that basis. I'd be more inclined to come in if RHO had raise directly to game as this normally shows a weak distributional hand with a big trump fit, which means a good trump fit our way and partner is very likely to have some values.

You were fixed if your opponent made this anything other than 7 losers...

[pescetom]

 LBengtsson, on 2022-November-04, 05:21, said:

I just do not get how West can only bid 3♥ on this hand, even if the opps. are using Acol. 3♥ invitational? That is just crazy!

The question remains if the auction goes 1♥ - 4♥ do you still X at favorable vulnerability? Even I feel a bit hesitant about that, at a level higher.

I think I would still X.

But they are both rather redundant questions if East opens 1NT, as would seem logical to me.

[LBengtsson]

 pescetom, on 2022-November-04, 07:43, said:

I think I would still X.

But they are both rather redundant questions if East opens 1NT, as would seem logical to me.

I assume this hand is from our Acol forum contributors, and 1NT is 12-14 here. (I admit I even like the British style of the weak pre-emptive 1NT opening, that was used by Fantunes and Kaplan-Sheinwold system bidders also.)

[AL78]

 pescetom, on 2022-November-04, 07:43, said:

I think I would still X.

But they are both rather redundant questions if East opens 1NT, as would seem logical to me.

They were playing a weak NT.

[pescetom]

 AL78, on 2022-November-04, 11:31, said:

They were playing a weak NT.

Fair enough.