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Wrong Board - major change? 2017 laws
#1
Posted 2017-April-04, 03:04
Previously, if a pair starts playing a wrong board and it is spotted during the auction period, then the rectification is pretty complicated: -
If, during the auction period, the Director discovers that a contestant is playing a board not designated for him to play in the current round, he shall cancel the auction, ensure that the correct contestants are seated and that they are informed of their rights both now and at future rounds. A second auction begins. Players must repeat the calls they made previously. If any call differs in any way from the corresponding call in the first auction the Director shall cancel the board. Otherwise the auction and play continue normally. The Director may award a procedural penalty (and an adjusted score) if of the opinion that there has been a purposeful attempt by either side to preclude normal play of the board.
Once the new rules come into force at your RA. (for pairs/ individuals not teams) then life is now simpler.
2. if none of the four players have previously played the board the Director shall require the
auction and play to be completed. He allows the score to stand and may require both pairs
to play the correct board against one another later.
So the rules for the play period have been extended to the auction period. (which starts, remember, for a side when one of them has withdrawn their cards from the board - this means that if only the correct pair have withdrawn their cards then the TD can move the pair incorrectly seated.)
There seem to be two different circumstances when this applies: of course each set of circumstances will cause the bridgemates to start smoking.
a) right pairs, wrong set of boards:
i) Move the other boards for the round to the correct table. Of course the problem may be occurring at the table where the 'correct' boards have ended up.
ii) Once the incorrect boards have been played then move them to the correct table.
iii It is likely that the boards won't be played in time so the TD "may require both pairs to play the correct board against one another later." - or he can award an AAS based on culpibility. This ensures that each pair will play the same number of boards in the event (subject to movement)
iv When the set of boards are due to be played correctly then obviosuly the one already played will have to be skipped.
v. PPs to the pair handing over the wrong set of boards/ pair failing to check correct boards are being played?
b) wrong pair, right set of boards:
i) move the players after the wrong board is played.
ii Only question: what about the pair that should be at the table (and the pair waiting for the pair playing the wrong hand)? Do we tell them to 'take 5'? - if the table has two incorrect pairs then we can hopefully set up a table to play another board of the set while waiting.
iii Although there may be time for the missing boards to be played, it would seem that the TD does not have the authority to 'require' the players to play the hands.
iv. PPs to the pair stationary at the table (if applicable) for not checking correct opponents? What about the pair who arrived at the wrong table?
If, during the auction period, the Director discovers that a contestant is playing a board not designated for him to play in the current round, he shall cancel the auction, ensure that the correct contestants are seated and that they are informed of their rights both now and at future rounds. A second auction begins. Players must repeat the calls they made previously. If any call differs in any way from the corresponding call in the first auction the Director shall cancel the board. Otherwise the auction and play continue normally. The Director may award a procedural penalty (and an adjusted score) if of the opinion that there has been a purposeful attempt by either side to preclude normal play of the board.
Once the new rules come into force at your RA. (for pairs/ individuals not teams) then life is now simpler.
2. if none of the four players have previously played the board the Director shall require the
auction and play to be completed. He allows the score to stand and may require both pairs
to play the correct board against one another later.
So the rules for the play period have been extended to the auction period. (which starts, remember, for a side when one of them has withdrawn their cards from the board - this means that if only the correct pair have withdrawn their cards then the TD can move the pair incorrectly seated.)
There seem to be two different circumstances when this applies: of course each set of circumstances will cause the bridgemates to start smoking.
a) right pairs, wrong set of boards:
i) Move the other boards for the round to the correct table. Of course the problem may be occurring at the table where the 'correct' boards have ended up.
ii) Once the incorrect boards have been played then move them to the correct table.
iii It is likely that the boards won't be played in time so the TD "may require both pairs to play the correct board against one another later." - or he can award an AAS based on culpibility. This ensures that each pair will play the same number of boards in the event (subject to movement)
iv When the set of boards are due to be played correctly then obviosuly the one already played will have to be skipped.
v. PPs to the pair handing over the wrong set of boards/ pair failing to check correct boards are being played?
b) wrong pair, right set of boards:
i) move the players after the wrong board is played.
ii Only question: what about the pair that should be at the table (and the pair waiting for the pair playing the wrong hand)? Do we tell them to 'take 5'? - if the table has two incorrect pairs then we can hopefully set up a table to play another board of the set while waiting.
iii Although there may be time for the missing boards to be played, it would seem that the TD does not have the authority to 'require' the players to play the hands.
iv. PPs to the pair stationary at the table (if applicable) for not checking correct opponents? What about the pair who arrived at the wrong table?
No matter how well you know the laws, there is always something that you'll forget. That is why we have a book.
Get the facts. No matter what people say, get the facts from both sides BEFORE you make a ruling or leave the table.
Remember - just because a TD is called for one possible infraction, it does not mean that there are no others.
In a judgement case - always refer to other TDs and discuss the situation until they agree your decision is correct.
The hardest rulings are inevitably as a result of failure of being called at the correct time. ALWAYS penalize both sides if this happens.
Get the facts. No matter what people say, get the facts from both sides BEFORE you make a ruling or leave the table.
Remember - just because a TD is called for one possible infraction, it does not mean that there are no others.
In a judgement case - always refer to other TDs and discuss the situation until they agree your decision is correct.
The hardest rulings are inevitably as a result of failure of being called at the correct time. ALWAYS penalize both sides if this happens.
#2
Posted 2017-April-04, 07:22
For AAS, do you mean assigned adjusted score or artificial adjusted score?
"Although there may be time for the missing boards to be played, it would seem that the TD does not have the authority to 'require' the players to play the hands."
No? Why not?
"Although there may be time for the missing boards to be played, it would seem that the TD does not have the authority to 'require' the players to play the hands."
No? Why not?
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As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#3
Posted 2017-April-04, 10:23
blackshoe, on 2017-April-04, 07:22, said:
For AAS, do you mean assigned adjusted score or artificial adjusted score?
"Although there may be time for the missing boards to be played, it would seem that the TD does not have the authority to 'require' the players to play the hands."
No? Why not?
"Although there may be time for the missing boards to be played, it would seem that the TD does not have the authority to 'require' the players to play the hands."
No? Why not?
If he had - then why add in the bit about "The TD may require ...." in the laws?
No matter how well you know the laws, there is always something that you'll forget. That is why we have a book.
Get the facts. No matter what people say, get the facts from both sides BEFORE you make a ruling or leave the table.
Remember - just because a TD is called for one possible infraction, it does not mean that there are no others.
In a judgement case - always refer to other TDs and discuss the situation until they agree your decision is correct.
The hardest rulings are inevitably as a result of failure of being called at the correct time. ALWAYS penalize both sides if this happens.
Get the facts. No matter what people say, get the facts from both sides BEFORE you make a ruling or leave the table.
Remember - just because a TD is called for one possible infraction, it does not mean that there are no others.
In a judgement case - always refer to other TDs and discuss the situation until they agree your decision is correct.
The hardest rulings are inevitably as a result of failure of being called at the correct time. ALWAYS penalize both sides if this happens.
#4
Posted 2017-April-04, 11:28
weejonnie, on 2017-April-04, 10:23, said:
If he had - then why add in the bit about "The TD may require ...." in the laws?
How can "may require" mean "does not have the authority to 'require'"?
Gordon Rainsford
London UK
London UK
#5
Posted 2017-April-04, 11:30
weejonnie, on 2017-April-04, 10:23, said:
If he had - then why add in the bit about "The TD may require ...." in the laws?
"may require" means he has the authority to require, but it's optional whether he exercises. Basically, he can treat this like any other late play -- some clubs have a policy against late plays, some leave the decision to the TD.
#6
Posted 2017-April-04, 15:05
I still don't know what you mean by "AAS".
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As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
#7
Posted 2017-April-04, 16:41
blackshoe, on 2017-April-04, 15:05, said:
I still don't know what you mean by "AAS".
Assigned Artificial Score (AV+/AV/AV-)
No matter how well you know the laws, there is always something that you'll forget. That is why we have a book.
Get the facts. No matter what people say, get the facts from both sides BEFORE you make a ruling or leave the table.
Remember - just because a TD is called for one possible infraction, it does not mean that there are no others.
In a judgement case - always refer to other TDs and discuss the situation until they agree your decision is correct.
The hardest rulings are inevitably as a result of failure of being called at the correct time. ALWAYS penalize both sides if this happens.
Get the facts. No matter what people say, get the facts from both sides BEFORE you make a ruling or leave the table.
Remember - just because a TD is called for one possible infraction, it does not mean that there are no others.
In a judgement case - always refer to other TDs and discuss the situation until they agree your decision is correct.
The hardest rulings are inevitably as a result of failure of being called at the correct time. ALWAYS penalize both sides if this happens.
#8
Posted 2017-April-04, 17:40
Note that that is an Artificial Adjusted Score, which is why blackshoe asked. Assigned Adjusted Score is "after the UI, we can't allow the 4♥ pull. So we're assigning a contract of 3♠X, which will make. +730 NS, -730 EW."
As long as we know what you meant, it's not a big deal (well, except to SBs. Oh look).
As long as we know what you meant, it's not a big deal (well, except to SBs. Oh look).
When I go to sea, don't fear for me, Fear For The Storm -- Birdie and the Swansong (tSCoSI)
#9
Posted 2017-April-04, 22:17
AAS = Assigned Adjusted Score
ArtAS = Artificial Adjusted Score
ArtAS = Artificial Adjusted Score
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As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
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