[Tramticket]

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Teams match. Even contest (you were 3IMPs down after 16/32). Your bid?

[ggwhiz]

fast pass with a big smile, a large heart lead (or 2) with the best shift after seeing dummy and a signal.

[StevenG]

East has opened a weak 2 vulnerable, Jack high at best. Something smells.

[neilkaz]

Am delighted to pass and hope that LHO can't/won't try to run to 3m.

[eagles123]

man we have AKQT trump over a weak 2 open sure a freak hand can happen but pass is totally normal, stop over analyzing

[Phil]

Do i really have to wait for AKQTx to convert?

[eagles123]

Phil, on 2017-January-30, 17:08, said:

Do i really have to wait for AKQTx to convert?

jeez I'm not sure Phil, Is the X the 9?

[MrAce]

eagles123, on 2017-January-30, 16:51, said:

man we have AKQT trump over a weak 2 open sure a freak hand can happen but pass is totally normal, stop over analyzing

What you said + the vulnerability.

[rmnka447]

Pass for now, how can you do anything else with what looks like 5 full tricks in hand.

BUT there needs to be caution if the weak 2 bidder runs about being in a possible "rat-tailed" double situation.

[SteveMoe]

So I'm looking at 5 or 6 tricks and we need to take 8 for a top board (+500)? Almost 60% of our strength is in their suit and those [He} honors will not serve a ♠ contract well? If partner has Axxx x Axxx Axxx, we make 3N, but set 2♥ by 9 (with breaks). 400 vs 800. With xxxx x KQxx KQxx, we might make 140 in ♠ but gain +300 defending 2♥X. Pass. In tempo.

[Tramticket]

Thanks all. Since I posted it here, you can probably guess that 2♥* made 8 tricks - the only significant swing in an otherwise tight match.

I made the 5 obvious tricks in my hand, but these were the only tricks for the defence.

I won't post partner's hand, but he took "protection" a bit far in my opinion!

[msjennifer]

Pass.They are Red and we White .Partner is a passed hand and only balancing so no chance of a slam then why not be satisfied with 500 or even 800?

[johnu]

Tramticket, on 2017-January-31, 02:07, said:

Thanks all. Since I posted it here, you can probably guess that 2♥* made 8 tricks - the only significant swing in an otherwise tight match.

I made the 5 obvious tricks in my hand, but these were the only tricks for the defence.

I won't post partner's hand, but he took "protection" a bit far in my opinion!

OK, I'll change my vote to 2♠ or maybe 2NT unless 3 of a minor is the best contract.

[msjennifer]

johnu, on 2017-January-31, 02:20, said:

OK, I'll change my vote to 2♠ or maybe 2NT unless 3 of a minor is the best contract.

No harm in posting the protectors hand.No one will know his/her identity.We all "passers" will get a new direction on what to protect and when to protect(??!!)

[msjennifer]

Tramticket, on 2017-January-31, 02:07, said:

Thanks all. Since I posted it here, you can probably guess that 2♥* made 8 tricks - the only significant swing in an otherwise tight match.

I made the 5 obvious tricks in my hand, but these were the only tricks for the defence.

I won't post partner's hand, but he took "protection" a bit far in my opinion!

We will get an opportunity to learn afresh as to on which passed hands to protect.Please post that hand without revealing his or her identity.

[Tramticket]

msjennifer, on 2017-January-31, 04:16, said:

We will get an opportunity to learn afresh as to on which passed hands to protect.Please post that hand without revealing his or her identity.

My purpose in posting was to sanity check my own action not to critisise partner's action.

I can't remember the exact hand, as they were hand-dealt with no hand records. But his shape was 4-0-6-3 with, I think, 7HCP (mainly soft values rather than aces and kings). Three diamonds would have made our way - but little else. It is difficult to see how we could get there, as I think it unlikely that I would have passed a 3♦ overcall and we don't play weak twos in the diamond suit (and if we did have a weak 2♦ available we probably wouldn't bid it with a 4-card spade suit).

[helene_t]

Sounds like partner's double was reasonable. Just bad luck. Your choice to leave in the double remains normal.

[beowulf]

Tramticket, on 2017-January-31, 02:07, said:

I won't post partner's hand, but he took "protection" a bit far in my opinion!

It sounds like your partner made a bid that was risky but also had some upside potential. Doubling with a void is always dangerous as partner (you in this case) may convert with what looks like a solid, obvious pass. I appreciate you not wanting to criticize partner's bid, but there have to be some limits to "protectionism". As long as your partner was ready to apologize -- and not blame you -- then all is well. You were also a tiny bit unlucky in that responder didn't raise to 3H, assuming that he had three.

[wank]

helene_t, on 2017-January-31, 06:04, said:

Sounds like partner's double was reasonable. Just bad luck. Your choice to leave in the double remains normal.

i disagree. with a void and no raise it's quite likely that partner will be floating the double. even as a passed hand he'll expect some defensive contribution. it sounds like this hand was a predictable disappointment defensively.

[1stpanda]

There is a very similar problem (Master Solvers Club F, Feb. 2017).

P-2♥-P-P, X-P and you have
♠AK83♥KQ84♦Q1042♣8

A large plurality of the panel converted the double at IMPs when their side was vulnerable and the opponents not. Passers were Philip Alder, Ira Chorush, Marty Fleisher, Rich Freisner, Jon Green, Eddie Kantar, Ralph Katz, Sami Kehela, Danny Kleinman, Jeff Rubens, Joe Silver, and Zia. That's pretty good company for your decision to pass.