To dive or not or to dive
#21
Posted 2016-October-07, 06:40
No matter though, this is a situation where the more we go down, the more they make, so the dive keeps working thanks to the colors. Even if they get the full 800, it's peanuts to 1370. In truth, when your teammates reach the wrong contract and go minus when they have slam, it is hard to win the board.
Also as south I would open 1♣, reversing next. North's 5♦ is odd as well, there are good alternatives that don't blow so much space, x and 2♥ come to mind.
-gwnn
#22
Posted 2016-October-07, 07:18
ahydra, on 2016-October-07, 06:09, said:
Here's the full hand - given the NS hands you might wonder if I posted the correct hand, but I assure you I've got it right:
This went for 500 after a misdefence
Do the 5H bidders also make the same choice at matchpoints?
ahydra
No surprise that a player that bid this like north would drop a trick on defence (A♠ lead?) and if you could throw them in a couple more times you might get out for down 1
Yes I bid it at matchpoints. Playing your rho to be bonkers is a mugs game and thems the breaks.
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#23
Posted 2016-October-07, 07:40
#24
Posted 2016-October-07, 08:13
ggwhiz, on 2016-October-07, 07:18, said:
Not quite - it went diamond, ♣AK, spade to the J and then North played the ♠A crashing the K. I think that technically counts as South's fault, unless he was trying to deceive declarer with a putative ♠AQ?
ahydra
#25
Posted 2016-October-07, 08:46
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#26
Posted 2016-October-07, 09:05
Having said that, I have to admit that I am now with the others and 5♥ looks right. I think I must have replied too quickly yesterday
#27
Posted 2016-October-07, 09:14
Because partners overcall is limited to a maximum 17 HCP (bad 16-17 HCP not suited for a info double with a strong suit) slam in ♥ is not likely and 5h looks like the best option.
5h is the right bid why did we loose so much IMPs. Well let me be blunt the overcall of 1♥ in IMP play is bad bridge so if partner is not willing to chance is style of overcalls i get a new partner. If i was south i would learn my partner the negative double and the LAW his bid of 5♦ shows he doesn't play either.
So i presume this board was played in a session just for fun and would not care about any result and order my partner to get a round of drinks, east and south deserve it to forget the way this board was bid by west and north.
#28
Posted 2016-October-07, 10:23
The only time this is likely to be wrong is if we are beating 5D.
Other undesirable scenarios which have been suggested are silly. To wit:
1. "Maybe they are in the wrong game and have missed 3NT."
Unlikely. Partner is a strong favorite to have the Ace of hearts.
2. "Maybe they miss their slam."
Unlikely. Since 5D is preemptive in nature (unless the player is a beginner inasmuch with a strong hand a cue bid or another conventional raise is automatic), opener would have to have a huge hand for this to be the case. That is unlikely because partner has a weak heart suit which suggests that partner is not on a light overcall; furthermore, the preemptive 5D bid has to have some kind of values to be made at this vulnerability.
"Maybe they play in the wrong slam."
The chance of this is virtually zero if all the opponent can think of doing is jumping the bidding to 5D.
"Maybe they bid on to a slam which isn't making."
Unlikely. As explained above, partner seems to have some values.
That is, you need to protect. They could be making 5D while your side can either make 5H or has a cheap save. The double game swing is the real danger.
In fact, if they bid 6D, you will bid 6H. You must protect.
#29
Posted 2016-October-07, 15:05
#30
Posted 2016-October-07, 15:13
nekthen, on 2016-October-07, 15:05, said:
LOL
it's very easy to hate bids when you can see the entire hand, that's just resulting crap, but as for "leap to 5 diamonds is spot on" well i have to say it again
LOL
it's the kind of bid that week 1 beginners will make, it's just totally nuts
#31
Posted 2016-October-07, 15:31
Kaitlyn S, on 2016-October-06, 12:14, said:
This might be a good time to mention that in a recent ACBL bulletin, there was a letter to the editor requesting to dump the STOP card because it was being used far more often to make partner aware you are showing strength than for its intended purpose.
What sort of ignorant directors work at your games?
#32
Posted 2016-October-07, 15:48
eagles123, on 2016-October-07, 15:13, said:
Don't believe me? I recently taught a 13-table "advanced" class on duplicate strategy. The first week was hands giving them general tips on duplicate strategy to get a feel for the students in the class. In hand 1, the intent of the hand was to show that 3NT was better than 5 of a minor even with a big fit. This backfired miserably when the top score was +420, which was achieved at several tables when the CJ was led from dummy:
N: C-J109x
W: C-Q E-Kx
S: C-A87xxx
All four top honors went on this trick to let declarers make an overtrick in 5C.
While a legitimate overtrick was available in 3NT by taking five club tricks, all the "advanced" declarers went down when the dangerous opponent East won the second club trick with the king and returned partner's lead. Which reinforced the lesson, never NEVER overestimate the level of your prospective students, no matter how good they say they are.
In a different advanced class, first week again, fourteen of the fifteen tables played in 1H on the auction 1D Dbl P 1H P P P where the doubler was 4-3-2-4 minimum and the advancer had a 4-4-3-2 13-count. The other table awesomely got to 4S. Guess their auction:
#33
Posted 2016-October-07, 16:58
#34
Posted 2016-October-07, 17:00
JL
PS don't actuall wait ten seconds, just long enough to show that you culd have been thinking.