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[Cyberyeti]

I bid 2♥ if I play there undoubled I'll settle for that, if anybody doubles I bid 2♠.

[shyams]

I presume "weak only" multi?

If yes, I pass! I use the information ambiguity of the 2♦ multi to my advantage.

[jogs]

Was your pard a random also? If not you should be allowed to bid 2♠ to play.

[johnu]

 jogs, on 2016-July-27, 18:22, said:

Was your pard a random also? If not you should be allowed to bid 2♠ to play.

2♠ is usually played as pass or correct to hearts. I don't think you want to know the answer to who was the random if you bid 2♠ in a pass or correct auction.

[jogs]

 johnu, on 2016-July-27, 18:58, said:

2♠ is usually played as pass or correct to hearts. I don't think you want to know the answer to who was the random if you bid 2♠ in a pass or correct auction.

2♥ is pass or correct to spades. Spades is higher ranking than hearts. I suggest it should be: don't care what you got. I got lots of spades.

[sfi]

 jogs, on 2016-July-27, 20:36, said:

2♥ is pass or correct to spades. Spades is higher ranking than hearts. I suggest it should be: don't care what you got. I got lots of spades.

You're in a pretty small minority with that agreement. Most people would like to bid 2S with something like:

x
Axxx
KQxx
Axxx

Where you want to play in 2S or 4H depending on partner's major.

[msjennifer]

2H. Some may bid 2S but partner's bid is going to be 3H,unless his hand is a strong NT .Think twice if one wants to play in 2 H,3H or 3S. Those who bid 2S must keep in mind that it has no relation to the number of cards held in spade suit.In a way the 2S bid shows a dislike for spade but willingness to play in 3 H if that is partners suit.With no desire to play in 3H one just bids 2H and that's the end of it.

[1eyedjack]

 msjennifer, on 2016-July-27, 23:35, said:

Some may bid 2S

-1, I'm afraid. I cannot imagine anyone bidding 2S on that.

[msjennifer]

 1eyedjack, on 2016-July-27, 23:54, said:

-1, I'm afraid. I cannot imagine anyone bidding 2S on that.

HAHa.Well! jogs ,for one ,did bid 2S and expected his partner to pass.I politely suggest that those, who think that 2S is a sign off ,better switch to weak two in majors rather than play multi 2D.

[msjennifer]

 sfi, on 2016-July-27, 21:17, said:

You're in a pretty small minority with that agreement. Most people would like to bid 2S with something like:

x
Axxx
KQxx
Axxx

Where you want to play in 2S or 4H depending on partner's major.

Sir,you have given the exact clarification and given a very illustrative hand to all those who play multi 2D ,without knowing the further development, just for the heck of it.

[helene_t]

2S is possible if you have the agreement that 2♠ followed by 3♠ is to play. This is a sensible agreement. At least, you need to have some way to bid a hand like this, and 2♥ or pass are not satisfactory.

Without having discussed this, you need to bid 2♥ (or pass). But I think this shows that maybe it is not such a good idea to play multi in a nonregular partnership.

[661_Pete]

Well, looks like every E-W pair (the above hand was West's) who played in a contract went down, so it looks like heads-you-win, tails-I-lose as far as West's concerned! Whether this says anything in support of natural bidding - in particular acol weak two's - I don't know. A whopping misfit, whatever.

[Tramticket]

2♠ is not natural it is showing a hand that is prepared to play at the three-level opposite a weak two in hearts. With no disrespect jogs, I'm guessing that you don't play a multi?

Assuming partner has a weak-two in hearts the hand is a mis-fit. It's best to keep the auction low and bid the obvious 2♥. I quite like shyams's 2♦ but, as he observes, this only works with a weak-only multi. Our version of the multi includes strong options.

[Zelandakh]

How about a corollary question. You are playing RONF and partner opens a weak 2♥ in second seat with the opps passing. What is your response?

And yes, pass opposite a weak + strong multi is fairly bonkers imho. With both opps passing partner could easily have a strong variant here which might mean your side playing in 2♦ with 7♣ on.

[Cyberyeti]

As many people have said, you can't bid 2♠ unless you have the agreement that 2♠ then 3/4♠ is natural, and even then it's a dubious action.

Pass is embarrassing when partner has Qxx, KQJ109x, x, Jxx or similar

[The_Badger]

hi Rowland,

big LOL! what you did was a bit Wackojacky!

( Ok, fellow commentators I admit I sourced the hand involved from hand records, and it made me smile )

Not sure how you play your multi, (weak twos + one strong hand?) but I'll give you a +1 for innovation, as statistically the stronger hand turns up once in a blue moon compared to the nearly ubiquitous scruffy weak twos.

Do I think you are 'bonkers', mate? Not in the least, as when you have a potential misfit the best way is to STOP bidding as soon as possible.

It probably confused the opponents more than your partner. As a 'distributional' 3NT is on for North/South if well played, maybe a return of -0.33 IMPs was a bit of an unfair result.

Good luck with your bridge

[wank]

if the multi contains a strong hand, i wouldn't pass here. you only have 10 points and opps are passing away. the chance that p has the strong option is not negligible.

[manudude03]

I would bid 2H. I think 2D-2S-3H-3S should be invitational and this hand isn't strong enough.

[jogs]

 Tramticket, on 2016-July-28, 01:36, said:

2♠ is not natural it is showing a hand that is prepared to play at the three-level opposite a weak two in hearts. With no disrespect jogs, I'm guessing that you don't play a multi?
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You're right. Not allowed to play multi in most ACBL events.