What to bid over pd transfer?
#1
Posted 2015-May-26, 06:22
NV vs VUL you deal and open
You have:
♠:AKJ8
♥:AKQ
♦:J975
♣:K8
You open 2NT:
Partner bids 3♥ - standard transfer.
What do you do now?(Your pair does not have any relevant agreements over this, anything besides 3♠, should be a super accept by common sense)
Relevant information: 4♥ would be a transfer to spades as well. 3♥-3♠, then 4♠ invites slam by pd.
Most of the field play a strong club, and not neceserally have 2NT for a natural opener.
#3
Posted 2015-May-26, 07:16
#4
Posted 2015-May-26, 07:58
no super accept over 2nt openings
If pard now bids 4s as a slam try I will cue 5c
partner must have minor suit cards to even make a mild slam try.
#5
Posted 2015-May-26, 08:04
#6
Posted 2015-May-26, 09:59
The risk of course is that if partner was about to drop the transfer accepted at the 3 level, you are now a level higher.
The risk of NOT doing it is that you miss the potential for finding the Heart fit on the rather more frequent occasions that partner was going to bid again.
Over a transfer to Hearts we play 2N-3D-3S to show a 5-2-3-3 shape. This carries slightly lower risk because 3S has a respectable chance of being a playable spot opposite a weak takeout into Hearts.
Whatever, some (system) bid higher than 3S is indicated here.Presumably not 4H, as that would deny partner a re-transfer. Other than that I am easy.
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#7
Posted 2015-May-26, 11:03
At imps I'll risk p having 0 cause if they have anything will make 4♠ and otherwise could be playing in 3.
#9
Posted 2015-May-26, 22:08
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#10
Posted 2015-May-26, 23:24
phoenix214, on 2015-May-26, 06:22, said:
NV vs VUL you deal and open
You have:
♠:AKJ8
♥:AKQ
♦:J975
♣:K8
You open 2NT:
Partner bids 3♥ - standard transfer.
What do you do now?(Your pair does not have any relevant agreements over this, anything besides 3♠, should be a super accept by common sense)
Relevant information: 4♥ would be a transfer to spades as well. 3♥-3♠, then 4♠ invites slam by pd.
Most of the field play a strong club, and not neceserally have 2NT for a natural opener.
For the present,you should just bid 3 ♠]as requested. Partner could have a yarborough with 5+ rag spades and is asking for a takeout. Make the minimum bid and leave the decision to go further to partner. Bid your own hand,not your partners
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#11
Posted 2015-May-26, 23:29
come on guys....pard is allowed to pass 2nt
#12
Posted 2015-May-26, 23:40
mike777, on 2015-May-26, 23:29, said:
come on guys....pard is allowed to pass 2nt
Of course he is....but he chose instead to bid 3♥asking for a transfer to♠
You shouldn't be second guessing partner..just do what you've been asked,go with the flow,
and leave the next bid(if any)to 'pard'
- Dr Tarrasch(1862-1934)German Chess Grandmaster
Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
#13
Posted 2015-May-26, 23:46
But that lack of bidding space amplifies the need to use what little space is available to maximum effect, and I know of several good partnerships who will superaccept with only 3 trumps if the hand is otherwise suitable.
Not for no reason is the 2N opener dubbed the slam-killer.
The difference in playing strength between this hand and one with the black suits reversed is so great that both your game and slam bidding can only improve by distinguishing between the two as early as possible.
PhilG007, on 2015-May-26, 23:40, said:
PhilG007, on 2015-May-26, 23:40, said:
PhilG007, on 2015-May-26, 23:40, said:
PhilG007, on 2015-May-26, 23:40, said:
If by going with the flow you judge it right to bid with the room, then that is not really possible as the OP states that most of the room is opening a strong 1C rather than 2N. I suppose it could go 1C-1D-2N-3H at the other tables, leaving you in the same position. But in a more general event this strategy would dictate super-accepting, being the majority action. But if you need a swing, perhaps just accept.
PhilG007, on 2015-May-26, 23:40, said:
Pard is always left with the next bid (unless you pass 3H )
One call that he might make is pass. And 3S may indeed be high enough if partner has a flat Yarborough. Just as 2S might be enough after a 2-level transfer, and yet super-accepting is mainstream. Of course partner can also pass 3S when you are making 4 in comfort.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
#14
Posted 2015-May-27, 00:35
If partner has no shortage, 3N could very well play better than 4♠; for example ♠Qxxxx ♥xx ♦Txx ♣xxx is much better at 3N, while ♠Qxxxx ♥xxx ♦Tx ♣xxx is basically equal.
At MPs or a short IMP team game I would certainly consider 3♠. I expect partner to bid on with any ace or king (the latter only because he or she has a 5 card suit).
#15
Posted 2015-May-27, 00:36
pls do not assume such unless you know
I took the chance that we do not and it will not kill us...It may help us
I see the vast of you assume other and worry about missing game
#16
Posted 2015-May-27, 01:33
To be frank if the arguments for accepting in this case were that the hand falls just short of qualification (say you would prefer the Club King to be Diamond King) then I would have more sympathy. But a blanket refusal ever to super-accept over 2N is in my experience contrary to mainstream practice, even if many do it.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
#17
Posted 2015-May-27, 07:59
Even with 4 trumps I do not consider this hand a super accept. The SJ and DJ are highly overrated and even the possibility of a club ruff is minimized opposite a known 5 card spade suit. Yes I have 4 trumps and 21 HCP but GAME is not such a hot prospect opposite a vast majority of hands p was going to pass with over the transfer. The idea of a super accept is when one's hand has exceeded the original range or is of exceptional value after hearing the transfer. IMHO this hand meets neither of these criteria. FWIW I also like to use 3n as asking for shortness but only with hands I will super accept with. 4C and 4D are super accepts with a side 5 card minor that do not meet the use of 3n.
#18
Posted 2015-May-27, 08:36
gszes, on 2015-May-27, 07:59, said:
Even with 4 trumps I do not consider this hand a super accept. The SJ and DJ are highly overrated and even the possibility of a club ruff is minimized opposite a known 5 card spade suit. Yes I have 4 trumps and 21 HCP but GAME is not such a hot prospect opposite a vast majority of hands p was going to pass with over the transfer. The idea of a super accept is when one's hand has exceeded the original range or is of exceptional value after hearing the transfer. IMHO this hand meets neither of these criteria. FWIW I also like to use 3n as asking for shortness but only with hands I will super accept with. 4C and 4D are super accepts with a side 5 card minor that do not meet the use of 3n.
The issue is partly what you expect partner to bid on with. Qxxxx, xxx, xx, Qxx ? Most of the time, this will not make game opposite a 2N opener (50%+ of 20-22s are 20s IIRC), the knowledge that you will break the transfer makes it easy to transfer then pass opposite a non break, can be wrong but I think your odds of being in the right place significantly improve if you break on the original hand.
#19
Posted 2015-May-27, 09:45
Our long suit is J9xx.
AKQ tight is a devaluation.
The spade J is questionable, and even the K really isn't pulling its full weight in a five, much less a six card fit.
Aside from this, the four trump are nice, and we do have a ruffing value.
I would just bid 3♠, but cooperate if partner starts making noise.
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#20
Posted 2015-May-27, 17:37
Cyberyeti, on 2015-May-27, 08:36, said:
It seems too unilateral for one to decide to let 3s ride when 3n could more than easily be right. This hand which is right near the top of the weak hands p might hold and decide to pass 3s with is one that might fall through the cracks. I never claimed 3s was a cure all just that it rated to be right quite a lot opposite a hand p intended to pass 3s with. A stronger case can be made for raising to 4s vul at imps.