[mgoetze]

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Your style is to open all balanced 11s, so partner has at most 10 HCP. In case it matters, you play reverse Drury (2♣ only).

[eagles123]

i would pass we in 4th seat and have no aces

but who knows

[Bbradley62]

1S

[BillPatch]

1 ♠. About 65% that we have an 8 card ♠ fit. We also may find a fit if partner has 10 hcp and 5 card non-pointed suit. Only a slight underdog if partner plays it in 1 NT.

[Mbodell]

1♠ seems clear to me. Unless maybe it fit your 1nt range where you could consider that instead, but I'm happier bidding 1♠.

[mgoetze]

We play 14-16 1NT in 1st through 3rd, 15-17 1NT in 4th seat, so our systematic opening would be 1♠.

[Hanoi5]

1♠ Not much need to think about it.

[mgoetze]

Hanoi5, on 2015-January-25, 18:28, said:

1♠ Not much need to think about it.

Apparently I'm not the only one who thought about it. This board was passed out at

1 out of 10 tables in 1st league
1 out of 10 tables in 2nd league
3 out of 30 tables in 3rd league.

[rmnka447]

I'm a 1 ♠ bidder also.

Partner must have a little something, especially in this day and age when opening light in 3rd seat is so prevalent.

You have the high ground with the ♠ suit anyhow.

[ArtK78]

I open 1♠. The rule of 15 only applies to marginal opening bids. This is not marginal.

[sfi]

If you don't open 1S on these hands they stop dealing you spades and give them to someone who deserves them.

[mgoetze]

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Teammates bid and made 3♦ - lose 5.

[the hog]

mgoetze, on 2015-January-25, 22:23, said:

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Teammates bid and made 3♦ - lose 5.

It appears that South also passed an opening bid. Certainly this is a 1S bid in 4th seat.

[Mbodell]

mgoetze, on 2015-January-25, 22:23, said:

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Teammates bid and made 3♦ - lose 5.

I don't agree with hog that S has a clear opener. Depends on style and I'd say a fairly common style would be that S is a maximum pass, not an opener. But regardless N/S are entitled to +110 in 3♦. If you instead bid 1♠ and W plays 1NT you likely make -1 for a push, maybe -2 or -3 if unlucky. It happens.

[sfi]

The result has more to do with West not bidding 2C than East's opening. This is the downside of playing Drury that promises a fit, and one of the reasons to stop using it.

The alternative is to play 2C as clubs or an invitational raise (which is, I believe, Drury's original idea). If you're not a passed hand you can throw balanced FG hands in as well, but I suspect this will be banned anywhere that doesn't allow system innovation.

What's the downside to not guaranteeing a fit? Both opponents have had a chance or two to bid, so they're unlikely to get in the way now. You don't get to jump to 4M on hands that will accept a limit raise, but that hardly seems a loss (you can always have a sequence like 1S - 2C; 2D - 2S; 4S). And you can still open sub-minimum hands to the same effect as now.

If you can bid clubs at the two level, you pick up 5-6 IMPs.


Side note: If you regularly open South's hands, give up playing Drury - most of the time you will have already opened if you would want to use it.

[Fluffy]

The level of the opponents is ihhgly relevant info when opening in 4th, also their opening style.

[whereagles]

1♠ obv. Why didn't pard bid 2♣? Oh wait...

[lycier]

The purpose of the opening at the 4th seat is to get some winning scores,not for other at first.
There are some disadvanages in this hand I think.
1- This hand's values without Ace will reduce one point.
2- Bad trump suit,it is allowed to open 1♠ if hold ♠KQXXX, ♥ Kxx, ♦10 3, ♣Kxx.

So I never open 1♠ in danger.

[foobar]

In context of the system, the lack of aces, poor suit quality, and uninspiring shape convince me to pass.

[Jinksy]

Well lots of stronger players than me are opening, but I would have said beforehand this was a clear pass. The opps rate to have the values (inc top intermediates, often important on 20-20ish hands, esp when they have 2.7 jacks between them), so owning the spade suit just makes me think we have a cheap sac over their part score.