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Team trials #3

Poll: Team trials #3 (23 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. pass (20 votes [86.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 86.96%

  2. dbl (penaltish) (3 votes [13.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.04%

  3. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   whereagles 

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Posted 2014-November-27, 08:12

IMPS



1 was three-way:

(a) Nat with clubs (usually 5, but can be 3-4 if 18-19 bal)
(b) Preparatory with bal 12-14 (can have better diamonds)
(c.) Strong, 21+ H

Passing 1X usually shows hand (b) or hand (a) with a min. It does not deny 3 spades.

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Posted 2014-November-27, 09:36

Clear pass for me.
I don't have much more than what I already promised.
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Posted 2014-November-27, 10:51

Pass. Am I protecting a game? I don't think so, tho I'd like to know if partner could have raised with 3 spades (or made a support double).

Do they rate to go for a number? Maybe, but I doubt it.
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Posted 2014-November-27, 10:55

We already know p is not strong (no xx) and is most likely without spade support
since no 2s or 3s bid (yes they might have 3) but our hand has no clear path to anywhere
on a hand that looks poor for offense. Gambling we might take 2 hearts and hoping p can
take 2 other tricks is not unreasonable but if p has a poor defensive hand where will they
go that is not a disaster???

Pass

Is the better part of valor here since we still have a partner that can surprise us :)
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Posted 2014-November-27, 14:28

View Postmikeh, on 2014-November-27, 10:51, said:

(...) I'd like to know if partner could have raised with 3 spades (or made a support double).



No supp redouble, no free raises on 3 cards. Added that information to OP.
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Posted 2014-November-27, 15:51

What do I have that partner is not expecting?
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Posted 2014-November-28, 09:21

Double. Partner rates to have (b).


View PostFluffy, on 2014-November-27, 15:51, said:

What do I have that partner is not expecting?


The A and stiff club. Double planning to lead the stiff club.
When our suit patterns don't fit, neither do theirs.
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Posted 2014-November-28, 11:03

Thx all. Full hand:

1C = three-way (nat 5+/bal 12-14/strong art)

I needed a few imps back so I doubled thinking "well, they're certainly not making an overtrick" Posted Image The signs of a set are all there: HCP about 20-20, singleton on what rates to be pard's main suit, trump control, and a defensive Q.

I led the singleton club to pard's ace. The sight of dummy was not pleasant and, on top of that, pard erred by not giving me the club ruff. Declarer now had a chance to make it, but messed up and ended 1 down (+9 imps).

I was careful not to point out to pard that he could have rebid 2 on such a nice suit.. lol. (After which a speculative dbl becomes even more attractive.)
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Posted 2014-November-28, 15:00

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-November-27, 08:12, said:


IMPS
1 was three-way:
(a) Nat with clubs (usually 5, but can be 3-4 if 18-19 bal)
(b) Preparatory with bal 12-14 (can have better diamonds)
(c.) Strong, 21+ H
Passing 1X usually shows hand (b) or hand (a) with a min. It does not deny 3 spades.
Bid?
IMO Pass = 10, Double = 6. IMO Double, here, isn't penalty.
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Posted 2014-November-28, 17:58

According to GiB, it makes even if he does give you the ruff. Though I think W has to duck if S returns an honour?
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Posted 2014-November-29, 03:10

My choice of pass on this hand was influenced by the fact that I (most people?) play double here as 'cards' rather than 'penalties'. What else are you supposed to do with a 5143 shape and game values?

However if have specifically discussed that double here is a penalty suggestion, then it's a very reasonable shot.
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Posted 2014-November-30, 00:26

Yeah, he needs to take the KC after a ton of cross ruffing otherwise he cannot come to the 10th trick.
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