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If you bid 1N, LHO Xes, P passes, RHO bids 2♠.
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Posted 2014-October-27, 16:10
How greedy are you feeling?
If you bid 1N, LHO Xes, P passes, RHO bids 2♠.
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Posted 2014-October-27, 17:27
Jinksy, on 2014-October-27, 16:10, said:
How greedy are you feeling?
If you bid 1N, LHO Xes, P passes, RHO bids 2♠.
1NT and 3C for me. Don't think it's greedy unless i fear pd will be tempted to save me in 3D.
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Posted 2014-October-27, 19:04
Jinksy, on 2014-October-27, 16:10, said:
- After (1♠) ??: 1N = 10, 2♣ = 9, 3♣ = 6.
- After (1♠) 1N (Double) Pass; (2♠) ??: Pass = 10, 3♣ = 8, 2N = 6
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Posted 2014-October-28, 05:49
a- 2♣
b- Easy Pass
If i overcalled 1 NT and LHO doubled, showing 9+ hcp, for some 10+, means pd is broke and we are VERY likely to end up playing this crappy hand from our own hand unless we get lucky and find 3-4 clubs with pd. But this will be washed by the hands that pd corrects to 3♦ or leaves us with shortness in clubs.
Basically, you will bail -300 EVEN IF you score all your 6 clubs, you will have to find a way to make 2 tricks, by playing from hand when you have KJx Jxx K left. good luck with that.
But obviously, 3♣ bidders see something that I can not see.
b- Easy Pass
If i overcalled 1 NT and LHO doubled, showing 9+ hcp, for some 10+, means pd is broke and we are VERY likely to end up playing this crappy hand from our own hand unless we get lucky and find 3-4 clubs with pd. But this will be washed by the hands that pd corrects to 3♦ or leaves us with shortness in clubs.
Basically, you will bail -300 EVEN IF you score all your 6 clubs, you will have to find a way to make 2 tricks, by playing from hand when you have KJx Jxx K left. good luck with that.
But obviously, 3♣ bidders see something that I can not see.
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Posted 2014-October-28, 08:00
Bid 2♣ and leave it.
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Posted 2014-October-28, 13:28
MrAce, on 2014-October-28, 05:49, said:
a- 2♣
b- Easy Pass
If i overcalled 1 NT and LHO doubled, showing 9+ hcp, for some 10+, means pd is broke and we are VERY likely to end up playing this crappy hand from our own hand unless we get lucky and find 3-4 clubs with pd.
b- Easy Pass
If i overcalled 1 NT and LHO doubled, showing 9+ hcp, for some 10+, means pd is broke and we are VERY likely to end up playing this crappy hand from our own hand unless we get lucky and find 3-4 clubs with pd.
Yeah, but are you *expecting* that to happen? Most of the time when you have a fifteen count, LHO doesn't have an X.
Against that you have the obvious upside of a better score for making the 8 or more tricks, and occasionally 1N might stop them finding a ♥ fit that they'd scrabble into over 2♣, making you a few MPs even if it goes down.
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Posted 2014-October-29, 16:51
To me the answers are obvious:
a. 2♣
b. Pass
That said, overcalling 1NT the first time strikes me as a semi-reasonable way to 'shoot' if I really needed a board. It might actually work out. On the other hand a follow up of 3♣ over opponent's 2♠ just seems desperate.
You might also 'shoot' with an initial super-heavy 3♣ preemptive overcall. Your chances of missing game are small, and the opponents may misjudge. It is probably safer than overcalling 1NT, but it is less disruptive.
a. 2♣
b. Pass
That said, overcalling 1NT the first time strikes me as a semi-reasonable way to 'shoot' if I really needed a board. It might actually work out. On the other hand a follow up of 3♣ over opponent's 2♠ just seems desperate.
You might also 'shoot' with an initial super-heavy 3♣ preemptive overcall. Your chances of missing game are small, and the opponents may misjudge. It is probably safer than overcalling 1NT, but it is less disruptive.
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How greedy are you feeling?
If you bid 1N, LHO Xes, P passes, RHO bids 2♠.