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With minors after a preempt

Poll: With minors after a preempt (26 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you have bid 4N directly?

  1. Yes (10 votes [38.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.46%

  2. No (15 votes [57.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.69%

  3. No, but you'd have bid a natural 4m (1 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

Having bid this way, what's your call?

  1. Pass (9 votes [34.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.62%

  2. 7C (16 votes [61.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 61.54%

  3. Other (1 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

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Posted 2014-September-29, 10:17



IMP scoring.

With no fancy gadgets available (or having been bypassed), except that 4N directly would have been Unusual. Now what? Would you have bid 4N before?
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Posted 2014-September-29, 11:31

Don't see how you can bid 7♣ now. partner could have singleton ♥. With void might have bid 5 ♥.

plus partner likely to have wasted spade values


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Posted 2014-September-29, 11:47

I'd bid 7 partner knows we didn't bid direct over 3h and we are pretty much max for our subsequent 4n bid and p has leapt to 6.
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Posted 2014-September-29, 11:53

Inconceivable that partner could bid 6♣ missing a heart control. I am looking at two aces and the king of trump! So I take the plunge 7♣ and expect an early claim.
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Posted 2014-September-29, 12:05

We have a superb hand in context, but my experience in situations like these is pard is overbidding.
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Posted 2014-September-29, 12:14

No comments on the first call so far, but exactly split vote!

Are all the people voting aye to 7C now voting nay to 4N before and vice versa? Given that I chose not to bid 4N, I'd be interested to hear arguments for doing so.
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Posted 2014-September-29, 12:19

View PostJinksy, on 2014-September-29, 12:14, said:

No comments on the first call so far, but exactly split vote!

Are all the people voting aye to 7C now voting nay to 4N before and vice versa? Given that I chose not to bid 4N, I'd be interested to hear arguments for doing so.

I chose pass over 3♥, but consider it close. I did not want to commit to the 5 level, vulnerable, with LHO still unlimited and bad breaks looming in my suits. I would not be surprised if it is wrong though.
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Posted 2014-September-29, 12:25

I can take or leave an immediate 4n agree with bill that it's close.

As for the worry about p having a heart loser or whatever what possible hand can he have? I'm just not seeing it
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Posted 2014-September-29, 14:15

View PostJinksy, on 2014-September-29, 12:14, said:

No comments on the first call so far, but exactly split vote!

Are all the people voting aye to 7C now voting nay to 4N before and vice versa? Given that I chose not to bid 4N, I'd be interested to hear arguments for doing so.


I wouldn't bid a direct 4NT. The hand is good but not so good to contract for 11 tricks "with a little help from my friend" (pard). Even with two useful cards from pard, we're still a trick off, so no 4NT for me.

Having passed, the hand is just about golden for the context. It could have been a substantially weaker hand (x xx Axxxx Kxxxx) and yet pard drove to 6 practically on his own.
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Posted 2014-September-30, 09:57

Can partner have as little as ♠KQJx ♥x ♦QJx ♣AQJxx? Anyway, his jump to 6 suggests at least 2 aces, as there is no way he can expect us to have 2 first-round controls. I raise to 7.
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Posted 2014-October-01, 02:50

View Poststeve2005, on 2014-September-29, 11:31, said:

Don't see how you can bid 7♣ now. partner could have singleton ♥. With void might have bid 5 ♥.

plus partner likely to have wasted spade values

I agree with this, and add that partner could have wasted ♥ values too. If I bid 7♣ and partner has KQJT KQ QJx AQJx, partner may not see the wisdom in my action.
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Posted 2014-October-01, 06:05

View Postsilvr bull, on 2014-October-01, 02:50, said:

I agree with this, and add that partner could have wasted ♥ values too. If I bid 7♣ and partner has KQJT KQ QJx AQJx, partner may not see the wisdom in my action.

Agree that slam auctions are difficult if partner is willing to bid 6 missing four keycards.
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Posted 2014-October-03, 14:17

would love to see the full hand on this one
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Posted 2014-October-03, 14:44

There is an old rule, if partner bids slam and you have 3 keycards when you promised none you have to bid grand.
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Posted 2014-October-03, 15:46

View Posteagles123, on 2014-October-03, 14:17, said:

would love to see the full hand on this one


I won't have access to it tip Monday by when I'll probably have forgotten, but if you remind me thereafter I'll fish it out.
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Posted 2014-October-03, 18:36

I would pass rather than bid 4NT first time. That is a wild overbid. I pass now.
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Posted 2014-October-03, 21:26

View PostFluffy, on 2014-October-03, 14:44, said:

There is an old rule, if partner bids slam and you have 3 keycards when you promised none you have to bid grand.

Do you think you promised a yarborough with your 4NT advance to partner's double of 3H?
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Posted 2014-October-04, 00:13

Is that the rule of Fluffy? If so maybe even 6 won't make. :rolleyes:
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Posted 2014-October-05, 02:30

I think we'd bid the same way (P/4N) if you switch the SA to an x, no?
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Posted 2014-October-05, 02:32

Both decisions are really close. I plumped for the conservative options of Pass and Pass - parner's 6C might be based on a double-fit, we can't guarantee the first-round heart control. Also we're playing IMPs which means we have team-mates who might get mad, as opposed to pairs where we don't :)

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