BBO Discussion Forums: What is partner's hand? - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

What is partner's hand? Unusual auction.

#21 User is offline   srw103 

  • Pip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 3
  • Joined: 2013-September-05

Posted 2013-September-07, 13:50

View PostWesleyC, on 2013-August-01, 10:59, said:

IMPs with an expert but old-school partner.



Partner's pass over the redouble is scrambling, but you haven't discussed the continuations.

What kind of hand do you expect for 3S?

Do you pass or bid 4S?

Cheers,

WesC



I expect partner to be full value for 3S and 4 cards since you only show 4 yourself. XX probably bluff/semi-bluff with long D. partner surely would have bid 1S weak 4cards and 2/3S with weak 5cards. holding values in a situation where partner and opps told him he hasn't any he decided to pass to see what is being offered and act accordingly.
I bid 4S
0

#22 User is offline   gnasher 

  • Andy Bowles
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,993
  • Joined: 2007-May-03
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London, UK

Posted 2013-September-07, 14:13

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-August-05, 07:36, said:

In reading this, it occurs to me that if we have "a hand that always wants to compete to the 2 level" or "prepared to bid twice", it would be better to do it straight away. In this respect, it would be logical to use a cue bid for that, say "a weak hand with 4-5 hearts and 4 spades". What is the expert standard for this minor suit cue bid? It is surely not a strong hand since it practically requires someone to be psyching for that to come up. Similarly, with an invitational hand and both majors we could afford to pass initially and then advance with a raise, cue bid or double. I am not sure what is left. Perhaps there does not even need to be an expert standard any more given how few expert pairs play a power redouble these days.

We need some way for advancer to bid a good hand, because people do make psychic redoubles. However, you could use the cue-bid the way you suggest, with the understanding that a cue followed by further action shows a good hand.

Another approach I've seen recommended is to play the cue-bid as just competitive with both majors, and with a good hand you start with a pass then take strong action on the next round.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
0

#23 User is offline   aguahombre 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 12,029
  • Joined: 2009-February-21
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:St. George, UT

Posted 2013-September-07, 15:44

Yes. The 2D cue is perfect, IMO. And we can thank North for the opportunity to do it; redoubling with Diamond support is the laughable part.

Our 2D cue without the redouble is only a wee bit stronger than that hand, anyway.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
0

#24 User is offline   PhilG007 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 973
  • Joined: 2013-February-24
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dundee Scotland United Kingdom
  • Interests:Occasional chess player. Dominoes

Posted 2013-September-16, 01:46

View PostWesleyC, on 2013-August-01, 10:59, said:

IMPs with an expert but old-school partner.



Partner's pass over the redouble is scrambling, but you haven't discussed the continuations.

What kind of hand do you expect for 3S?

Do you pass or bid 4S?

Cheers,

WesC



I would bid 4 partners hand would be something like :-

AKxx
A10xx
-
Qxxxx
The decision to bid 4 is a close one. But tournament bridge is not for timid souls(!)
"It is not enough to be a good player, you must also play well"
- Dr Tarrasch(1862-1934)German Chess Grandmaster

Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)


"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
0

#25 User is offline   PhilKing 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,240
  • Joined: 2012-June-25

Posted 2013-September-16, 03:18

View PostPhilG007, on 2013-September-16, 01:46, said:

I would bid 4 partners hand would be something like :-

AKxx
A10xx
-
Qxxxx
The decision to bid 4 is a close one. But tournament bridge is not for timid souls(!)


The interesting thing is whether you think 4 will make.
3

#26 User is offline   PhilG007 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 973
  • Joined: 2013-February-24
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dundee Scotland United Kingdom
  • Interests:Occasional chess player. Dominoes

Posted 2013-September-16, 08:15

View PostPhilKing, on 2013-September-16, 03:18, said:

The interesting thing is whether you think 4 will make.


In teams you have to constantly think what will be bid at the
other table. 4 may be an overbid but I would rather overbid
than underbid.
"It is not enough to be a good player, you must also play well"
- Dr Tarrasch(1862-1934)German Chess Grandmaster

Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)


"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
0

#27 User is offline   manudude03 

  • - - A AKQJT9876543
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,625
  • Joined: 2007-October-02
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2013-September-16, 09:05

The hand you gave is a 13 count, given we have 11, one opponent has opened and the other has shown 9+, something doesn't add up there. True, they might have psyched, but with the hand you gave, I'm more worried that 7 is making than going down in 4.

I think I bid 4S, more as a semi-preemptive bid than anything else, despite what I said above, I do think there's something fishy going on though, aren't the opponents in a GF here?
Wayne Somerville
0

#28 User is offline   ArtK78 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 7,786
  • Joined: 2004-September-05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Galloway NJ USA
  • Interests:Bridge, Poker, participatory and spectator sports.
    Occupation - Tax Attorney in Atlantic City, NJ.

Posted 2013-September-16, 09:18

I can't imagine that 4 would make opposite my hand and partner would not have bid it already. I pass 3.
0

#29 User is offline   jogs 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,316
  • Joined: 2011-March-01
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:student of the game

Posted 2013-September-16, 14:26

View PostPhilG007, on 2013-September-16, 01:46, said:

I would bid 4 partners hand would be something like :-

AKxx
A10xx
-
Qxxxx
The decision to bid 4 is a close one. But tournament bridge is not for timid souls(!)


How can pard's hand be this strong? One opponent opened. The other opponent XX. They have more than 16 points with 12 trumps. They are a favorite to hold the balance of strength. Pard has probably only 6 or 7 points.
0

#30 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

  • Limit bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 8,482
  • Joined: 2004-November-02
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:England
  • Interests:Bridge, classical music, skiing... but I spend more time earning a living than doing any of those

Posted 2013-September-16, 15:08

Redouble on a weak hand with a big fit is a well-known psyche so the construction is quite possible on points.
But partner would obviously do more than just bid 3S on the suggested powerhouse - that is a game force opposite a t/o double and that hasn't changed.
0

#31 User is offline   rmnka447 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,366
  • Joined: 2012-March-18
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Illinois
  • Interests:Bridge, Golf, Soccer

Posted 2013-September-17, 13:24

The redouble should show values, so the opponents probably have at least half the points in the deck. So this looks like a partscore hand minus any extraordinary distribution. I pass 3 .

Double looks right on the hand given. Overcalling with that shambolic suit invites numbers when the opponents have a stack and more than the balance.

Pard may be competing with an eye to making and/or driving them up one more level.
0

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

2 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 2 guests, 0 anonymous users