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Partners opens 5C you have 22hcp

#1 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2013-February-03, 01:30

We've just played a great game at our Monthly Unit Game (Teams), winning B, 4th in A and smoking some great teams on the way :)

Unfortunately no hand records so this is reconstructed from my poor memory for hands..


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Posted 2013-February-03, 01:46

View Postjillybean, on 2013-February-03, 01:30, said:

We've just played a great game at our Monthly Unit Game (Teams), winning B, 4th in A and smoking some great teams on the way :)

Unfortunately no hand records so this is reconstructed from my poor memory for hands..




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Posted 2013-February-03, 01:51

Now trust the partner's opening with some pattern,so I'd bid 5♦ for cuebid showing the first control in ♦,and forcing a round:
1-if the partner cue bid 5♥,I will go for grand slam,7♣.
2-if the partner return to 6♣,it will be sign off.
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Posted 2013-February-03, 03:24

I think 7♣ is going to make a lot of the time for a unfavorable preempt. But I can't count to 13 and I'm playing IMPs so I'd only bid 6♣. At MP I think 7♣ is likely right.
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Posted 2013-February-03, 03:27

just from reading the thread title I thought I would bid 7♣ but without the ♥A and proper club fit, surely 6♣ is better.
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Posted 2013-February-03, 05:59

I bid 6♣, worth it to see the look on partners face. Partner had something like J97 V 6 KJT987542 and made 7.
The other table did bid 7 (I'm not unhappy)
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Posted 2013-February-03, 15:11

5♥ (do you have a heart control?)-6♣ (first round heart control)-7♣.
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Posted 2013-February-03, 18:30

View Postgwnn, on 2013-February-03, 03:27, said:

just from reading the thread title I thought I would bid 7♣ but without the ♥A and proper club fit, surely 6♣ is better.


partner opened at unfavourable at the 5 level and you are aiming for better fit that the ace?, I mean, sure, one more club would let us bid 6NT, but appart from that I Can't think of a better support.

I think 7♣ is a fair gamble, partner is void in a major and even if its the wrong one they might have to guess the lead. I wouldn't do it though.
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Posted 2013-February-03, 20:59

View Postblackshoe, on 2013-February-03, 15:11, said:

5♥ (do you have a heart control?)-6♣ (first round heart control)-7♣.

Lovely if you have that agreement :)
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Posted 2013-February-03, 22:23

View Postjillybean, on 2013-February-03, 20:59, said:

Lovely if you have that agreement :)


no, it's a terrible agreement. it highlights for the opps what to lead. everyone is now going to underlead the ace of H and put you to a guess for 6.

if you want something slightly more sensible, and equally unlikely to be anyone's actual agreement, 5D should ask for first round controls up the line with a reask if opener shows one lower than spades.
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Posted 2013-February-03, 23:22

Whatever I do, it won't be exploring for the opponents' benefit. The fact that partner doesn't have the club Ace at red computes to 7♣ if I get to have my partner across the way. Math?

80% Pard has the heart bullet. Add all the times OL doesn't lead a heart, but don't add much for the possibility of the heart void over there.
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Posted 2013-February-04, 01:36

View Postwank, on 2013-February-03, 22:23, said:

no, it's a terrible agreement. it highlights for the opps what to lead. everyone is now going to underlead the ace of H and put you to a guess for 6.

if you want something slightly more sensible, and equally unlikely to be anyone's actual agreement, 5D should ask for first round controls up the line with a reask if opener shows one lower than spades.



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Posted 2013-February-04, 15:01

Am I the only one to think that nine with only one of the top three and out is a little light, even with a void, for an unfavourable 5 bid?

I probably would have slammed out 7, if we're off the heart ace, maybe partner has a void, maybe third-hand has it. I might not at teams; rolling the dice on +13/-17 is a bit rich with teammates, but at MPs I would. If it turns out that I bid 7 and partner had the void but we went down to 3=0 trumps, I wouldn't take the blame for it, though.
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Posted 2013-February-04, 15:07

5♥ asking in hearts would be quite a wheeze holding ♠xxx ♥Akx ♦AKQJx Ax.

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Posted 2013-February-04, 17:40

View Postmycroft, on 2013-February-04, 15:01, said:

Am I the only one to think that nine with only one of the top three and out is a little light, even with a void, for an unfavourable 5 bid?

You might be the only one you don't have blocked :rolleyes:
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Posted 2013-February-11, 00:19

6♣. The chance opener having ♥A is extremely small. At unfavourable vulnerability, opener is near certain having both K and Q of ♣. Adding a ♥A will very likely upgrade the hand to a 1♣ opening opening because the hand will contain 9 HCPs already. Moreover, preempting with a void at the first seat is not good bridge.
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Posted 2013-February-11, 01:12

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Posted 2013-February-11, 03:44

6C

Partners hand is certainly borderline, but he has 9 clubs, ..., and what
are the alternatives?
If 7 makes, ok, fair enough. but this is a guess.

Loosing the grand against the small is not terrible, but sometimes partner
has the Queen of clubs and is 2-1 in the majors, or clubs break 3-0.

And they have to bid the grand with confidence.

Just that they did on the other table, does not mean the auction was confident.

Generating an convicing auction to 7, besides guessing is not easy.

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Posted 2013-February-11, 04:17

6♣. I dont believe partner will preempt with a semi-solid 9 card suit and a side ace.
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Posted 2013-February-13, 04:23

View Postmikl_plkcc, on 2013-February-11, 00:19, said:

Moreover, preempting with a void at the first seat is not good bridge.

Shirley, you jest.
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