And if you don't leave it in, what's your call?
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When to leave it in After a preempt is doubled
#2
Posted 2013-January-17, 14:55
I will pass.
♠♥♦♣ The American Swede of BBF...I eat my meatballs with blueberries, okay? ♣♦♥♠
Junior - Always looking for new partners to improve my play with..I have my fair share of brilliancy and blunders.
"Did your mother really marry a Mr Head and name her son Richard?" - jillybean
Junior - Always looking for new partners to improve my play with..I have my fair share of brilliancy and blunders.
"Did your mother really marry a Mr Head and name her son Richard?" - jillybean
#3
Posted 2013-January-17, 15:23
I am salivating. You don't get KQ10Bx sitting over a red preempter that often.
edit: sorry, misread the position. But I'm still salivating, and I'm still sitting.
edit: sorry, misread the position. But I'm still salivating, and I'm still sitting.
"I think maybe so and so was caught cheating but maybe I don't have the names right". Sure, and I think maybe your mother .... Oh yeah, that was someone else maybe. -- kenberg
"...we live off being battle-scarred veterans who manage to hate our opponents slightly more than we hate each other. -- Hamman, re: Wolff
"...we live off being battle-scarred veterans who manage to hate our opponents slightly more than we hate each other. -- Hamman, re: Wolff
#4
Posted 2013-January-17, 15:26
Lord Molyb's table of converting takeout to penalties
At each level, if you have X trump tricks, how many outside tricks you need to convert to penalties. If you have more outside tricks you should strongly consider bidding anyways.
Level . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Trump Tricks . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Outside Tricks
1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2-3
1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0-2
1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0-1
2. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2-3
2. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1-2
2. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0-2
3. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2-3
3. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1-3
3. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0-1
4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1-2
4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0-3
I pass and consider it borderline. Change the ♦10 to the jack and I have an easy pass.
At each level, if you have X trump tricks, how many outside tricks you need to convert to penalties. If you have more outside tricks you should strongly consider bidding anyways.
Level . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Trump Tricks . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Outside Tricks
1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2-3
1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0-2
1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0-1
2. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2-3
2. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1-2
2. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0-2
3. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2-3
3. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1-3
3. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0-1
4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1-2
4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0-3
I pass and consider it borderline. Change the ♦10 to the jack and I have an easy pass.
Become yourself.
#5
Posted 2013-January-17, 16:37
Like L.M., I considered this very close. If partner's double were reopening and I were BEHIND the preempt, it would be a fast pass, and I would jump to 3♠ if I didn't pass, but I would be nervous at the end of the auction because of the position. The factor that finally tipped me to pass is that 2♦ doubled and making is not game. Switch my red suits and make the preempt a 2♥ opening bid, and 3♠ would be my bid.
#6
Posted 2013-January-17, 16:40
This isn't close, it's an obvious pass.
One of the other considerations when deciding whether to pass or not is whether you have a good alternative bid. If I had 5 spades rather than 4, it would be much much closer.
One of the other considerations when deciding whether to pass or not is whether you have a good alternative bid. If I had 5 spades rather than 4, it would be much much closer.
#7
Posted 2013-January-17, 16:57
Pass. I expect down 1 or 2 will be most likely, vs a spade partial. If partner has the additional firepower to make a game in spades despite all of my wasted values, then I also expect down 3 to be in the ballpark.
Chris Gibson
#8
Posted 2013-January-17, 18:18
Thanks - I thought pass was normal but wanted to confirm. It scored pretty terribly opposite partner's ♠AQ932 ♥K108 ♦void ♣AKQ95.
#9
Posted 2013-January-17, 18:39
jeffford76, on 2013-January-17, 18:18, said:
Thanks - I thought pass was normal but wanted to confirm. It scored pretty terribly opposite partner's
♠AQ932 ♥K108 ♦void ♣AKQ95.
♠AQ932 ♥K108 ♦void ♣AKQ95.
Too bad you & partner hadn't discussed strong 2-suited jumps over a weak-2D open .... much like "Leaping Michaels" over a weak-2H or -2S.
One method after 2D :
3D = stop-ask
4D = majors
3H = ♥ / ♣
3S = ♠ / ♣
Don Stenmark
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"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
#11
Posted 2013-January-17, 20:13
TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-January-17, 18:39, said:
Too bad you & partner hadn't discussed strong 2-suited jumps over a weak-2D open .... much like "Leaping Michaels" over a weak-2H or -2S.
One method after 2D :
3D = stop-ask
4D = majors
3H = ♥ / ♣
3S = ♠ / ♣
One method after 2D :
3D = stop-ask
4D = majors
3H = ♥ / ♣
3S = ♠ / ♣
Maybe they had but the hand preferred not to do so given that they were three suited and could easily belong in hearts.
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