[Trinidad]

I think your reconstruction is almost correct. IMO, it should be:

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Rik

[Bbradley62]

Post 16 also says that declarer has ♦Q. Nowhere does he actually say that either hand has 4 hearts, allowing for the cashing of all four heart honors. OP appears to me to be an appropriate partner for the elderly man who couldn't articulate his claim. Since we have no idea what words actually came out of the mouth of declarer, I don't see how we're supposed to definitively determine what should have happened.

[Antrax]

Someone must have 4+ hearts because he counted AKQJ of hearts as four tricks.

[UdcaDenny]

Sorry if I didnt mention the layout of the hands but that is not so important. After a spade lead and two rounds of clubs declarer have all remaining 10 tricks. AK of spade, AKQJ of hearts, A of diamond and 3 high clubs. There were no problems going between the hands.

[Codo]

I see no problem in understanding Dennys story. The TD ruled crazy.

[pran]

I think the important question from claimer to director should be:
Why am I supposed to take the diamond finessee for the fourteenth trick on the board when I didn't mention this finessee at all with my claim?

[pran]

Sorry, double posted because BBO hung when processing my comment (first time)

[WellSpyder]

UdcaDenny, on 2013-January-17, 01:10, said:

Sorry if I didnt mention the layout of the hands but that is not so important. [.....]

I think it is simplest to assume that the layout of the hands is always relevant when discussing a claim. (I've seen appeals forms that say the bidding is not relevant for a claim, but that's rather different!)

[Vampyr]

This ruling is preposterous. Assuming it is too late for appeal, I would send a report of this ruling to the management of the club.

[helene_t]

Nah, the director just failed to count to 14. To err is human ....

[Vampyr]

helene_t, on 2013-January-17, 07:03, said:

Nah, the director just failed to count to 14. To err is human ....

Or did he manage to count to 14?

[blackshoe]

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It seems you have to include the bidding in order to be able to enter the play. And it won't record partial tricks.

The lead at this point (hit the 'next' button three times to see the tricks already played) was apparently the ♦7 from West. Now South claims the remaining ten tricks with no line of play statement. Opponents object and call the director. Declarer has ten top tricks at this point (two spades, four hearts, one diamond and three clubs). However, this line depends on not taking the diamond finesse. Is taking the finesse a "normal" (in the sense of the laws) play in this situation? The table director apparently thought so. If the claimer had said, when he claimed, "I have ten top tricks" or some such, I would disagree with the table ruling, but he apparently said nothing at all. Law 70A does say that the director shall rule as equitably as possible to both sides, but it also says that any doubtful point should be resolved in favor of the non-claiming side. For some players, there would be no doubt that claimer realizes he doesn't need the finesse; for most players though, there would be some doubt on that point. If there is doubt here, the table ruling was correct. If there's no doubt that declarer knows he has ten top tricks without finessing, then it wasn't.

Players need to learn to state a clear line of play, however "obvious" they think it is.

[lamford]

blackshoe, on 2013-January-17, 09:30, said:

Is taking the finesse a "normal" (in the sense of the laws) play in this situation?

Not for someone who claims the remainder. Running the eight of clubs would also fail, as would playing the ace and king of spades on the same trick. These would be "worse than careless" plays along with the practice finesse in diamonds. Some percentage of (weak) players who did not claim would indeed take the diamond finesse, but not someone who claims.

[blackshoe]

lamford, on 2013-January-17, 10:35, said:

Not for someone who claims the remainder. Running the eight of clubs would also fail, as would playing the ace and king of spades on the same trick. These would be "worse than careless" plays along with the practice finesse in diamonds. Some percentage of (weak) players who did not claim would indeed take the diamond finesse, but not someone who claims.

That was my feeling. Glad someone agrees with me.

[UdcaDenny]

Just a comment about this D finess. Declarer had the Ace and the Q was on dummy. My point however is that TD never asked how my partner would play the hand but forced him to wrongly underplay the Ace. My partner is also one of the best players in the club and he never takes advantage of other players mistake.

[blackshoe]

Um, no. Once the claim was made, play ceased. What the TD might do is to rule that on the lead of the ♦7, it would be "normal" to duck instead of winning with the Ace, but if the lead is coming from declarer's left, and the Ace is in declarer's hand, and declarer has the rest of the tricks, that's ridiculous.

Of course, since you've just told us that what we thought was the layout wasn't actually the layout of the cards, it's hard to be sure what the ruling should be, so please tell us what the complete layout was.

[UdcaDenny]

After a S lead to J and two rounds of C W was on lead and S claimed 10 high tricks

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[paua]

UdcaDenny, on 2013-January-18, 00:36, said:

After a S lead to J and two rounds of C W was on lead and S claimed 10 high tricks

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Good claim, making 12.

[UdcaDenny]

Law 70 also states that defending side shud continue the play in a normal way and not use the information they get from seeing all open hands. After Ace of Club W didnt know how to continue and it wasnt normal to play a low D from Jxx.
He could go on in S or play a H but now he knew his partner had D King and director allowed him to play D and also forced my partner to play low from the Ace.

[gordontd]

UdcaDenny, on 2013-January-19, 20:08, said:

Law 70 also states that defending side shud continue the play in a normal way and not use the information they get from seeing all open hands.

Not in my law book. Can you quote what you have interpreted in this way? They aren't continuing to play at all, since play ceases when a claim has been made.