[pigpenz]

4clubs alerted as transfer

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at a recent section in Northern California this auction occurred
West alerted his partners bid as transfer,East now bid 6♦.
at end of auction since I was on lead called TD and said there may be a
UI on the hand.....The TD looked at east hand and said he is allowed to
bid his hand. It was the last hand of a two session event.

than night started thinking about it, if there were no alert East was bidding
a slam that was off 3 aces since his bid was meant as Gerber. Broght it to TDs attention
on morning of swiss,he moved board to 4NT making 6.

Asked him why he didnt do anything at time he said he just assumed they were going to have an
accident on the hand!!!!

We were the number one seed are way, I wonder how many times things like this happen to pairs
that really arent aware of the laws???

so like the previous topic "ethical Violation"
when talking to the TD I said he need to address it with the offending side
to at least make it a learning process for them as they were both life masters with about
800 points, which doenst necessarily mean much anymore but does show some experience

[campboy]

It sounds like it needs to be a learning process for the TD as well. It's a complete no-no to make any comment about what's in the player's hand at that point. He shouldn't even look. And if he was assuming they were going to have an accident, why not come back at the end to check?

[blackshoe]

Probably because he expected the players to call him back. Or else he forgot about it.

[blackshoe]

I wonder. In this pair's system, is 1NT-4♣ (transfer)-4♥-4NT some form of BW?

[mamos]

OP says "alerted as transfer" - what does this mean? Did someone ask?

Mike

[pigpenz]

mamos, on 2013-January-11, 18:41, said:

OP says "alerted as transfer" - what does this mean? Did someone ask?

Mike

op alerted when not asked so the cat was out of the bag
the 4♣ bidder meant it as Gerber, The 4 ♣ bidder
now knowing his partner didnt respond with the aces he had took a flier
at 6♦.....if there had bid no alert he would have been bidding a slam off 3 Aces.

[blackshoe]

"Alerted when not asked"? This doesn't make sense. Do you mean opener alerted 4♣ and then explained it as a transfer without anyone asking? Or did he announce "transfer"? Or was it something else?

[Bbradley62]

pigpenz, on 2013-January-11, 21:59, said:

op alerted

You are OP in this thread, pigpenz.

[kevperk]

Bbradley62, on 2013-January-11, 22:24, said:

You are OP in this thread, pigpenz.

He meant opp - opponent

[pigpenz]

kevperk, on 2013-January-12, 00:03, said:

He meant opp - opponent

Ok
The west opp alerted and explained without being asked too
So his partner then knew it was not the correct number of aces

[blackshoe]

Not necessarily. He knew that the 4♥ bid had no relationship to the number of aces held, but the bidder still might have held the correct number.

As others have already said, the TD in this case did not follow correct procedure or best practice.

[Sjoerds]

How many aces (keycards) does 4♥ give?
East should bid accordingly to this information. Without the hand that is impossible to judge.

[bluejak]

If 4♥ showed one ace, and the 6♦ hand has no more than one ace, then there is no doubt the 6♦ bidder flagrantly used UI. In such a case the TD should:

• not look at the hand at the table, and
  
• return at the end of the hand whether recalled or not, and
  
• remind the 6♦ bidder of his ethical responsibilities when in receipt of UI, and
  
• consider a PP for the 6♦ bidder if he is a good enough player