slam try after pass?
#1
Posted 2012-November-10, 16:40
♥Q9863
♦A753
♣Q853
all vul, MPS, RHO deals and opens 2♠, passed around to partner who doubles.
How do you bid on your methods? what about plain lebensohl?
#2
Posted 2012-November-10, 17:05
We don't seem to have a choice here if we want to explore slam, cooperate for slam, or probe strain....3♠.
If we did judge this hand to be only a 3H (Leben) bid, I doubt it would be passed there this time. Either someone is seriously walking the dog, or partner has a very big hand. She is marked with 4+ spades.
This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2012-November-11, 08:16
#4
Posted 2012-November-12, 13:40
#5
Posted 2012-November-12, 14:46
I also suspect that the title to the post might play a role in people over-valuing this hand initially. This hand has no slam interest, imo, until partner confirms a big hand.
So I'd bid an encouraging but nf 3♥. I don't expect to play there but, if I do, I suspect that game won't be cold anyway.
I can't imagine cuebidding. If we then bid 4♥, that must surely show a much better hand. void QJxxxx AJxx Qxx looks like a cue followed by 4♥. If you couldn't stomach pass over 2♠, tweak the hand by the least needed to make pass palatable.
Once partner comes to life with 3N, we can infer that his hand is too strong for a balancing 2N and unsuitable, probably for strength reasons, for a balancing 3N. He probably has on the order of a good 20+ hcp and some might put the lower limit even higher.
Now I think we try 4♠. We've limited our hand. We didn't pull to 4m, so we have to be 3 suited.
We can respect a 4N signoff and imo we can and should respect a 5m bid as well. I think if partner can make 6 minor opposite this hand and this sequence, he should bid it.
I think this all makes sense, but as always I fear that I may be allowing my knowledge that I hold these cards to influence my view of how partner should take the auction. After all, it's easy to say: 'what else could it be?' when looking at our hand, but we may be putting partner through the wringer.
#6
Posted 2012-November-12, 17:02
Do you really think LHO with 3 spades and a 10-12 count is passing ?
Do you think partner with 4♠ and less than 15 points is doubling ? and with 15 he prob bids 2N.
I'd give great odds on him having >18 and a hand too good to overcall 2N and unsuitable for 3N, so if I bid 2N (this shows the good hand for us other than in clubs) and partner has an unbalanced big hand or huge balanced hand, I'll probably get something other than 3♣ back and will know what's going on.
If I do get 3♣ back, I can bid 3♥ and I've shown something close to my values.
#7
Posted 2012-November-12, 17:29
3H lets her announce her biggie, and then I can cue 4S.
#8
Posted 2012-November-12, 17:50
Sometimes LHO has a bunch of spades and no shape and doesn't want to donate 800 at MPs, so I don't think we can reliably put partner on a monster, nor can we 'underbid' his hand for him.
So, 3♠ for me.
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#9
Posted 2012-November-12, 21:06
That should be in the +650 range since they didn't bid 4 of a minor so I'm not bullish on slam unless pard moves. My partner NEVER has a stiff heart. They would have bid 3nt directly with that.
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#10
Posted 2012-November-12, 23:25
ggwhiz, on 2012-November-12, 21:06, said:
That should be in the +650 range since they didn't bid 4 of a minor so I'm not bullish on slam unless pard moves. My partner NEVER has a stiff heart. They would have bid 3nt directly with that.
So Kx is adequate support?
#11
Posted 2012-November-13, 10:11
mikeh, on 2012-November-12, 23:25, said:
It is at mp's at least most of the time imo. With only those hearts dbl instead of some number of notrump will have extras, +620 beats +600 in a minor with a chance at +650 even if a minor slam makes but isn't bid.
If pard fits hearts they might be able to move but the 3nt bid makes a minor slam iffy and risks a minus score. I don't want to stall in 5 of a minor and would rather aim for avg+.
What is baby oil made of?
#12
Posted 2012-November-14, 03:59
♠AQJxxx
♥x
♦Qxx
♣J9x
we went for -1700 after he didn't declare very well at the 5 level.
#13
Posted 2012-November-14, 04:16
#14
Posted 2012-November-14, 04:18
#15
Posted 2012-November-14, 04:39
Fluffy, on 2012-November-14, 03:59, said:
♠AQJxxx
♥x
♦Qxx
♣J9x
we went for -1700 after he didn't declare very well at the 5 level.
Easy pull to 4S by pard imo
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#16
Posted 2012-November-14, 10:13
Fluffy, on 2012-November-14, 03:59, said:
♠AQJxxx
♥x
♦Qxx
♣J9x
we went for -1700 after he didn't declare very well at the 5 level.
I hope you are getting well paid
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#17
Posted 2012-November-14, 10:22
At least partner might PASS my 3♠ cue
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