Seven Spades on a finesse...
#1
Posted 2012-October-28, 13:35
♠AQ98
♥K
♦AJ87x
♣Axx
♠KJxxx
♥Ax
♦KTx
♣Qxx
1♦-(3♥)-3♠-(Pa)
4N-(Pa)-5♥-(Pa)
5N-(Pa)-6♦-(Pa)
7♠-All pass
A heart is led. Spades are 2-2.
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#2
Posted 2012-October-28, 13:41
edit: yes, that does mean it's a very skimpy 3H bid, but maybe he had xx QJTxxxx x KJx or something.
#3
Posted 2012-October-28, 14:59
It just seems that it must be something like xx QJxxxxx x KJx or even a void in diamonds.
Even xx QJxxxxx Qx Kx is possible...but should we really play for that?
I suppose an 8 card suit is also possible, but your guess is as good as mine.
Maybe I am looking at it wrong..but I think a diamond void is impossible to make anyways.
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#4
Posted 2012-October-28, 16:00
#5
Posted 2012-October-28, 18:43
#6
Posted 2015-July-26, 11:25
#7
Posted 2015-July-28, 04:26
So my line is to arrange to cash 2 hearts, two spades and the club ace, and try to count rho's cards.
1) If he has 7 cards in hearts and plays a small club under the ace.
- now play the non preempter to have the diamond Q, as it seems super likely that he has short diamonds and some 2713 type. I can afford to cash the K and table the T now.
2) He shows out of clubs and has 7 hearts. 2740 is his shape, and now I need to pick up 5 diamond tricks for two club pitches, so I table the diamond J, then I cross in trumps and table the diamond 8.
3) He has 7 hearts and drops the club K singleton. 2731 is his shape. Confirm the count by cashing the queen, and hook the pre-emptor.
4) He has 8 hearts and plays a small club. 2821 2812 and 2803 are all possible. But with 8 hearts and the club K I would bid 4 hearts, so this is tough. I also cannot arrange to squeeze as I only have 5 spades 2h 2d 1c. Guess I will finesse the non preemptor for the diamond Q when he has 8 hearts.
5) He has 8 hearts and the stiff k of clubs. Ill still hook the non pre-emptor.
6) he has 8 hearts and a club void. Hook the pre-emptor.
#8
Posted 2015-July-28, 07:11
phil_20686, on 2015-July-28, 04:26, said:
So my line is to arrange to cash 2 hearts, two spades and the club ace, and try to count rho's cards.
1) If he has 7 cards in hearts and plays a small club under the ace.
- now play the non preempter to have the diamond Q, as it seems super likely that he has short diamonds and some 2713 type. I can afford to cash the K and table the T now.
2) He shows out of clubs and has 7 hearts. 2740 is his shape, and now I need to pick up 5 diamond tricks for two club pitches, so I table the diamond J, then I cross in trumps and table the diamond 8.
3) He has 7 hearts and drops the club K singleton. 2731 is his shape. Confirm the count by cashing the queen, and hook the pre-emptor.
4) He has 8 hearts and plays a small club. 2821 2812 and 2803 are all possible. But with 8 hearts and the club K I would bid 4 hearts, so this is tough. I also cannot arrange to squeeze as I only have 5 spades 2h 2d 1c. Guess I will finesse the non preemptor for the diamond Q when he has 8 hearts.
5) He has 8 hearts and the stiff k of clubs. Ill still hook the non pre-emptor.
6) he has 8 hearts and a club void. Hook the pre-emptor.
Probably you have another way to evaluate pre-empt whilest i play Stayman and, seems to me that : with a 7 card you have more losers, with an 8 cards to bid 4♥ you need almost 3 top honors in heart it being an aggresive preempt whilest it is just for losers and vul (at pair vul winners + 2=level).(Lovera)
#9
Posted 2015-July-29, 10:28
Lovera, on 2015-July-28, 07:11, said:
That is way way too passive. In fact, there are top level players in the world who would bid 3H with 6 a lot of the time, even with only QJT9xx, and 4h often with hands like xx QJT9xxx - Kxxx
#10
Posted 2015-July-30, 08:13
phil_20686, on 2015-July-29, 10:28, said:
I find that Stayman is a good and precise system. Infact i have based my hand valutation on a light variation of that by Stayman.