[han]

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Kx
AQJ10xxxx
AQx

1D - p - 1S - Dbl
??

What's your call?

[Phil]

3♣ (what else?)

There's a structure out there that does not use support redoubles - it's been mentioned briefly here. In general (I think):

xx = general strength
1N = 3 card raise
2♥ = good raise to 2♠
2♠ = min raise to 2♠

I don't know what 2♣ is, but it seems you can sensibly throw in a good hand with diamonds to the mix.

[mfa1010]

3♣ I suppose, but it will probably be a guess from there.

[gnasher]

 Phil, on 2012-April-30, 08:19, said:

3♣ (what else?)

There's a structure out there that does not use support redoubles - it's been mentioned briefly here. In general (I think):

xx = general strength
1N = 3 card raise
2♥ = good raise to 2♠
2♠ = min raise to 2♠

I don't know what 2♣ is, but it seems you can sensibly throw in a good hand with diamonds to the mix.

I expect 2♣ shows clubs. A good hand with diamonds can start with redouble.

[phil_20686]

 han, on 2012-April-30, 07:40, said:

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Kx
AQJ10xxxx
AQx

1D - p - 1S - Dbl
??

What's your call?

Surely whatever methods you have for this hand after 1d p 1s p, should still apply. For me that means that 3N shows a diamond orientated hand too strong for 3D.

I do not think it is a good idea to be faking a jump shift in a potentially competitive auction, if LHO bids 4H and partner comes in with 5C and we bid 5D will it be clear to him that that is to play, rather than a slam try?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

 Phil, on 2012-April-30, 08:19, said:

3♣ (what else?)

How about 2H! ( Would it really be a natural Reverse when the DBLer has ostensibly shown Hts ? ) .

Now if partner bids 2S ( or 2NT! = Lebensohl ) you can revert to 3D, which now should show your hand .

[Phil]

 phil_20686, on 2012-April-30, 08:45, said:

if LHO bids 4H and partner comes in with 5C and we bid 5D will it be clear to him that that is to play, rather than a slam try?

It would be for me, since we are correcting a jump shift back to our original suit at our first opportunity.

[han]

3C would be my bid without competition, but I don't like it here.

If I was going to play redouble as a good hand, I would certainly redouble with all balanced 18-19 hands, so I wouldn't need 2NT for those hands. I also would use 3H as a better hand than 3S, as I think that it is good to be able to jump to 3S on distributional hands such as KQxx xxx AQJxx x. Perhaps it would be a good idea to play that 2NT shows diamonds.

I would never jump to 3NT on this hand, I think that should still show a hand suitable for notrump.

[Fluffy]

 han, on 2012-April-30, 09:05, said:

f I was going to play redouble as a good hand, I would certainly redouble with all balanced 18-19 hands, so I wouldn't need 2NT for those hands. I also would use 3H as a better hand than 3S, as I think that it is good to be able to jump to 3S on distributional hands such as KQxx xxx AQJxx x. Perhaps it would be a good idea to play that 2NT shows diamonds.

You can also play 1NT shows 3 card spade support since you would pass with 12-14 balanced with doubleton and raise to 2 with 3 cards unbalanced.

[ahydra]

What about opening 2C, or bidding 3NT or 4D next? I'm not sure I like jump-bidding a 3-card suit, partner would play you for 5-5 much more than 8-3.

ahydra

[CSGibson]

Without methods to deal with this hand type, 3♣. Partner should know that one of the possible hands you have is the game forcing single-suited diamond hand, since presumably he's playing the same system.

Story: At the last Las Vegas NABC, my partner and I were playing in the 0-1500 LM pairs. We held (me as South):

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So obviously partner wasn't in on the joke, but the good news is that they led a spade away from the T, and after I flashed 3 spades and 6 diamonds at them, they both for some reason decided to hold onto their clubs, so my ♥5 took the 12th trick. (and I might bid the hand differently now, just figured I'd add my "fake jump shift" story for kicks).

[gnasher]

 phil_20686, on 2012-April-30, 08:45, said:

I do not think it is a good idea to be faking a jump shift in a potentially competitive auction, if LHO bids 4H and partner comes in with 5C and we bid 5D will it be clear to him that that is to play, rather than a slam try?

I'd avoid that problem by jumping to 6♦.

[gnasher]

 han, on 2012-April-30, 09:05, said:

If I was going to play redouble as a good hand, I would certainly redouble with all balanced 18-19 hands, so I wouldn't need 2NT for those hands. I also would use 3H as a better hand than 3S, as I think that it is good to be able to jump to 3S on distributional hands such as KQxx xxx AQJxx x. Perhaps it would be a good idea to play that 2NT shows diamonds.

Where I come from it's normalish, if not playing support redoubles, to play 2NT as a good 4-card raise and 3♥ as a splinter. I don't think strong one-suiters in diamonds come up often enough to justify using 2NT for them.

[Cyberyeti]

Same as we play in the unopposed auction, 2N GF unbalanced, tough hand for standard methods.

[ArtK78]

Every time this issue comes up, I will make the same comment.

Another hand where it makes sense to play a jump rebid in a minor suit by opener as forcing.

You don't need to invent a fake jump shift or a fake reverse.

All that you lose is the ability to make an invitational jump rebid in a minor. And there is often another way to deal with that.

[mfa1010]

 ArtK78, on 2012-April-30, 10:57, said:

And there is often another way to deal with that.

Like what? Playing 2♦ as 10-18?

[ArtK78]

 mfa1010, on 2012-April-30, 11:36, said:

Like what? Playing 2♦ as 10-18?

Actually, yes, although 18 may be an overbid.

[CSGibson]

 ArtK78, on 2012-April-30, 10:57, said:

Every time this issue comes up, I will make the same comment.

Another hand where it makes sense to play a jump rebid in a minor suit by opener as forcing.

You don't need to invent a fake jump shift or a fake reverse.

All that you lose is the ability to make an invitational jump rebid in a minor. And there is often another way to deal with that.

We actually do that, but its only because our "weak" two bids are 9-14, so 1D-2D tends to be 15-bad 18, and 3D is forcing. (with clubs we have also agreed to make 1C-3C forcing, building the normal invitational hands into a diamond reverse, or, if the bidding has gone 1C-1D, into the heart jump shift).