[rduran1216]

Curious to answers at imps or MPs

Second seat, red vs. white

Axx
xx
xx
KQJ108x

[S2000magic]

I'd pass at IMPs and at MPs.

[Phil]

1♣.

[CSGibson]

3♣ both forms of scoring. If partner opened 1♣ I wouldn't object, and I would probably open 1♣ if I were NV. I would never be able to pass.

[gnasher]

1♣. I loathe 3♣. We have a side ace and a 6322 shape. We're in second seat at adverse; how many flaws are you willing to put up with?

I don't think decisions about whether to open at the one level are much affected by the scoring.

[cherdano]

gnasher, on 2012-April-26, 06:38, said:

I don't think decisions about whether to open at the one level are much affected by the scoring.

I think there is a good case to open more lightly all white at MPs. I agree vulnerable it doesn't make a big difference.

[ArtK78]

Pass.

I don't understand why everyone wants to enter the auction in 2nd seat at unfavorable vul. If this is our hand, we will have a chance to get back in soon enough.

Now, if I had a weak 2 bid in clubs available, this would be a good hand for it.

[JLOGIC]

Would never consider anything other than 1C

[dake50]

1NT. Try to keep a reputation.

[CSGibson]

gnasher, on 2012-April-26, 06:38, said:

1♣. I loathe 3♣. We have a side ace and a 6322 shape. We're in second seat at adverse; how many flaws are you willing to put up with?

Exactly this many and these type of flaws. I recognize that preempting style is very individual (just watch every time Kit Woolsey posts a preempt hand on Bridge Winners for confirmation), but this is just within my max.

But really, my hand is about clubs, and while I have more defense than partner would anticipate, the offensive potential is about right. Being adverse vulnerability means that partner wont play me for xx x KJx JTxxxxx or something like that. And I play with people who know my style, so it tends to work out all right.

[aguahombre]

ArtK78, on 2012-April-26, 07:27, said:

Pass.

I don't understand why everyone wants to enter the auction in 2nd seat at unfavorable vul. If this is our hand, we will have a chance to get back in soon enough.

Now, if I had a weak 2 bid in clubs available, this would be a good hand for it.

I suggest a different way of looking at it:

--When we have an 1-bid, we like to open it with a 1-bid. Is there anyone who would count their ten points on this one and say it isn't a one-bid?
--The answer is yes, but they don't tend to admit it in this forum.

Justin is finally wrong about something when he says, "I would never consider anything other than 1C." He has been known to play a forcing club system on occasion, and I guarantee he would consider 2C in that case.

[mikeh]

I don't think that pass is an error. In fact I would pass and I am not embarrassed by being in the minority. My partners would expect more from me for 1♣.

if your partners wouldn't...then go ahead. It may be that opening with this hand type is winning strategy at some levels of bridge, including the stratosphere, but I assure you that it is losing bridge if partner is not on the same page.

I'd always open this hand 1M if our clubs were a major.

One very minor point.....I generally don't like to strain to open 1m with subpar hands because it lets the opps in far more often than does pass....and when we hold short majors, this increases the odds that they can outbid us on a partscore hand. This factor is not as important in 2nd seat as in others, since most opps will open light in 3rd with a major anyway.

If you have no way of showing this hand should partner open 1M, then I'd advise opening, and later agreeing on a way of showing a near-opener with clubs.

[chasetb]

I would open 1♣, but ask partner afterwards why we can't play Precision and open this 2♣.

[rduran1216]

I opened 1♣, I didn't think it was a close decision at all. My partner and I debated after, as he's much more aggresive and wide ranging with preempts, he said this was a clear 3♣ bid. Thanks for the replies.

[Phil]

rduran1216, on 2012-April-26, 14:55, said:

a clear 3♣ bid.

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[rogerclee]

There is something to be said for preempting with suits that look like preempts. As much derision as 3C is getting in this thread, I do not feel like it is a ridiculous style to include hands like this in your 3C range, just very swingy and non-traditional. I don't agree with it, but I am not ready to dismiss it, and it would be interesting to look at 100 hands and see how well it does.

[JLOGIC]

You know you only have 6 clubs right? 6 card suits don't really look like a 3 level preempt to me r/w. By your logic should we also consider preempting with KQJT9 and 5332 because the suit looks like a preempt?

[lalldonn]

We can agree or disagree on whether or not 3C is at all reasonable, but let's just all laugh together at the original poster's partner who said it is "clear" and then we can be friends.

[ahydra]

I don't think 3C is so silly (at MPs). But I'd rather pass. Maybe I'd open 1C if I wasn't having a good day.

ahydra

[aguahombre]

ahydra, on 2012-April-27, 05:29, said:

I don't think 3C is so silly (at MPs). But I'd rather pass. Maybe I'd open 1C if I wasn't having a good day.

ahydra

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? When I reflect on a bad day, I find decisions such as 3C or pass are involved. Not exactly this situation, of course ---but choices which seemed reasonable at the time but weren't.

On a lucky day, maybe you mistake one of the red x's for a Jack.