[S2000magic]

White vs white, in third seat you hold:

♠ 4
♥ K 9 8 5 4 3
♦ K 10 9 5
♣ K 3

The bidding so far:

1♠ - (P) - 1NT - (P)
2♦ - (P) - ?

What's your rebid, and why?

[mike777]

3d good invite I hope not a courtesy raise.

[S2000magic]

 mike777, on 2012-March-25, 19:04, said:

3d good invite I hope not a courtesy raise.

You could end up playing in a 4-3 diamond fit instead of a 6-3 heart fit, or a 4-4 diamond fit instead of a 6-3 heart fit.

[HighLow21]

 S2000magic, on 2012-March-25, 18:51, said:

White vs white, in third seat you hold:

♠ 4
♥ K 9 8 5 4 3
♦ K 10 9 5
♣ K 3

The bidding so far:

1♠ - (P) - 1NT - (P)
2♦ - (P) - ?

What's your rebid, and why?

There is an argument to be made for 2H, but I don't think game is likely and diamonds is a guaranteed fit. Partner rates to have 2 or fewer hearts most of the time, and if he has 3 hearts, it is 100% that your club king is wasted.

If partner has extras he can bid on. 3D.

[S2000magic]

 HighLow21, on 2012-March-25, 19:15, said:

. . . if he has 3 hearts, it is 100% that your club king is wasted.

5=3=3=2, with ♣ A x or ♣ Qx.

Not quite 100%.

[mgoetze]

I need to know how many diamonds 2♦ shows, and form of scoring is also relevant. That said, I'm probably not bidding 3♦ - I don't like my hand (yet). My choice will likely be pass or 2♥.

[HighLow21]

 S2000magic, on 2012-March-25, 19:18, said:

5=3=3=2, with ♣ A x or ♣ Qx.

Not quite 100%.

Agggh, sorry, I missed the 2/1 bit. You are right.

If partner is indeed possibly 5332, which he is, then this question just became a lot harder. Now I'm much more tempted to stab 2♥, which could be the best spot if partner is 5341 or 5242 or 5332. If partner is 5143, then I can probably put partner back in diamonds.

[S2000magic]

 mgoetze, on 2012-March-25, 19:21, said:

I need to know how many diamonds 2♦ shows, and form of scoring is also relevant. That said, I'm probably not bidding 3♦ - I don't like my hand (yet). My choice will likely be pass or 2♥.

A minimum of 3 diamonds; i.e., basic, run-of-the-mill rebid over a forcing 1NT.

Matchpoints.

[mgoetze]

 S2000magic, on 2012-March-25, 19:23, said:

A minimum of 3 diamonds; i.e., basic, run-of-the-mill rebid over a forcing 1NT.

Matchpoints.

All points to 2♥ I would say.

[S2000magic]

 mgoetze, on 2012-March-25, 19:26, said:

All points to 2♥ I would say.

You don't consider it a bit strong (after the 2♦ rebid, improving your hand) for a nonconstructive 2♥?

[mgoetze]

No, as I said I don't really like my hand, singleton in partner's suit and empty kings are not so appealing. I think it's very likely partner will have another move over 2♥ if we have game available. And I would believe more in the "improving my hand" aspect if 2♦ promised 4 (as I prefer to play).

And even if we do have a game, it might well be in hearts, and I don't see how to ever get there if I don't bid them now.

[S2000magic]

 mgoetze, on 2012-March-25, 19:35, said:

. . . I would believe more in the "improving my hand" aspect if 2♦ promised 4 (as I prefer to play).

What do you rebid on 5=3=3=2?

[mgoetze]

 S2000magic, on 2012-March-25, 19:40, said:

What do you rebid on 5=3=3=2?

Pass.

[Cthulhu D]

You're so much better off here if with a 5-3-3-2 hand with extras you bid 2C. Then you can show 6H exactly and stop wherever it is right. But as is I'm still bidding 2H. I can 'run' back to 3D if all else fails.

I think mgoetze plays a 14-16 NT making it very easy to pass 1NT.

[mike777]

 S2000magic, on 2012-March-25, 19:12, said:

You could end up playing in a 4-3 diamond fit instead of a 6-3 heart fit, or a 4-4 diamond fit instead of a 6-3 heart fit.

no with 5332 pass with dead minimum or rebid 2c...BART.


Kind of the main/big reason for Bart is to find a heart fit.

with 5341 and more than a minimum pard can bid 3h now over 3d and bid out his shape.


but I expect pard will have a minimum most of the time and I dont expect the opp to have ten clubs here.

[nigel_k]

2♥ ought to be constructive on this auction, though standard is probably for it to be weak. Something like 8-11 HCP with five hearts is reasonably common and it's more important to handle that type more than the weak one.

[S2000magic]

 nigel_k, on 2012-March-25, 20:14, said:

2♥ ought to be constructive on this auction . . . . Something like 8-11 HCP with five hearts is reasonably common and it's more important to handle that type more than the weak one.

With that agreement, how would you respond to 1♠ with:

♠ 4
♥ K 9 8 5 4 3
♦ 10 9 8 5
♣ K 3

?

[mgoetze]

 S2000magic, on 2012-March-25, 20:27, said:

With that agreement, how would you respond to 1♠ with:

1NT of course - you will just have to pass whatever opener rebids at the 2-level (or possibly correct 2♣ to 2♠).

[S2000magic]

 mgoetze, on 2012-March-25, 20:34, said:

1NT of course - you will just have to pass whatever opener rebids at the 2-level (or possibly correct 2♣ to 2♠).

Eeewww!

[aguahombre]

 mgoetze, on 2012-March-25, 19:26, said:

All points to 2♥ I would say.

This was good. Then, things got weird in the later posts. 2H=minimum response and six hearts; simple for this simpleton here.