[benlessard]

W vs R Imps (but mp answer is also interesting)

1D--(1S)--P--(2H)
P--(3H)---X---(P)
??

[qwery_hi]

What's in your hand?

 benlessard, on 2012-March-25, 01:18, said:

W vs R Imps (but mp answer is also interesting)

1D--(1S)--P--(2H)
P--(3H)---X---(P)
??

[mich-b]

I would expect the doubler to hold a trap pass of ♠s , in a goodish hand , including "something" in ♥ ("something" means approximately Hxx or better).

[Cyberyeti]

Takeout of ♥ with spades 5134/5125/4135 and not the values to bid at the 2 level but close unless a massive trap pass for ♠. Unsuitable or not in style for 1N.

[qwery_hi]

Its important to know what the other hand is. I would, for example, double this auction with

xxx QJT98 xx xxx

[cloa513]

 qwery_hi, on 2012-March-25, 05:52, said:

Its important to know what the other hand is. I would, for example, double this auction with

xxx QJT98 xx xxx

Except that means opener is at least 4054- its gotta to be one sad hand to not TO double 2♥ or bid minors 2NT.

[benlessard]

You have a minimum 1255 with nothing in the M.

[qwery_hi]

 benlessard, on 2012-March-25, 07:10, said:

You have a minimum 1255 with nothing in the M.

Then what Cyberyeti said. cloa, making a takeout X with an ordinary 4-0-5-4 in a this auction isn't appealing to me, esp at the 2 level where partner is bound to leave it in with 5 trumps and 2HX might easily make

[ArtK78]

Seems like a trap pass of 1♠ with values, not just spades. Strongly disagree with the idea that the double shows long hearts.

[gnasher]

 mich-b, on 2012-March-25, 03:33, said:

I would expect the doubler to hold a trap pass of ♠s , in a goodish hand , including "something" in ♥ ("something" means approximately Hxx or better).

I thought everybdy played it as this.

[gszes]

 qwery_hi, on 2012-March-25, 05:52, said:

Its important to know what the other hand is. I would, for example, double this auction with

xxx QJT98 xx xxx

an x (for penalty) here is badly timed--the opps may still have plenty
of places to play and a penalty x here would merely warn the opps hearts
is not one of those places. There is also no guarantee the opps intended to
stop bidding. Waiting to x might get you a much bigger penalty especially
if it becomes obvious hearts is the only place opps can play.

This leaves x available for more productive concepts like a hand that
wanted to penalize 1s but has extra values and wishes to compete over 3h.
(I would assume p does not have anything in hearts and is making
a general power x). With a trap pass and a couple of heart tricks it
would be easy to bid 3n so p having a heart stack makes little sense.

[dake50]

I would expect the doubler to hold a trap pass of ♠s , in a goodish hand , including "something" in ♥ ("something" means approximately Hxx or better).

***
Almost agree. Trap pass with 3-4 hearts and
== a singleton Diamond == and thus AJ10,KJ10 in clubs

[benlessard]

I had

KQT8x
Jx
Axx
Qxx

And the worse is they make 4H while we go down in 4m.

Im wondering if the double should tend to a balanced hand (show two or three hearts) or more like takeout (one or 2 hearts) ?

Making a trap pass with a stiff in a side suit (not partner suit) rarely seems to work.

[qwery_hi]

The point is not to debate the merits of a dbl here, rather giving just an auction without your hand, and
asking us what is in partners hand is not a particularly interesting question.

Whether the dbl is badly timed or not can not be discussed without looking at what's in your hand.

 gszes, on 2012-March-25, 10:38, said:

an x (for penalty) here is badly timed--the opps may still have plenty
of places to play and a penalty x here would merely warn the opps hearts
is not one of those places. There is also no guarantee the opps intended to
stop bidding. Waiting to x might get you a much bigger penalty especially
if it becomes obvious hearts is the only place opps can play.

This leaves x available for more productive concepts like a hand that
wanted to penalize 1s but has extra values and wishes to compete over 3h.
(I would assume p does not have anything in hearts and is making
a general power x). With a trap pass and a couple of heart tricks it
would be easy to bid 3n so p having a heart stack makes little sense.

[Phil]

 benlessard, on 2012-March-26, 02:11, said:

I had

KQT8x
Jx
Axx
Qxx

And the worse is they make 4H while we go down in 4m.

Im wondering if the double should tend to a balanced hand (show two or three hearts) or more like takeout (one or 2 hearts) ?

Making a trap pass with a stiff in a side suit (not partner suit) rarely seems to work.

I agree with the initial pass. They don't always unearth their side suit that you and probably partner are short in.

Over 3♥ there are lots of red flags. Your secondary spade values are not pulling their weight. Your doubleton heart sucks. You have a smattering of defense in the minors, but so what? I might hate myself for it, but I think I'd just pass.

[dboxley]

 benlessard, on 2012-March-26, 02:11, said:

I had

KQT8x
Jx
Axx
Qxx

And the worse is they make 4H while we go down in 4m.

Im wondering if the double should tend to a balanced hand (show two or three hearts) or more like takeout (one or 2 hearts) ?

Making a trap pass with a stiff in a side suit (not partner suit) rarely seems to work.

Them's the breaks, you bid it exactly right. That's exactly the hand partner should expect.

[mfa1010]

The delayed double shows the hand with spades. But I think the heart fragment thing is off when they bid and raise. We are not on the hunt anymore. Partner should not pass 3♥X with a random minimum and a doubleton heart imo. Our double just that shows we have too much to pass and that no other option was available for us.

[JLOGIC]

 mfa1010, on 2012-April-12, 12:22, said:

The delayed double shows the hand with spades. But I think the heart fragment thing is off when they bid and raise. We are not on the hunt anymore. Partner should not pass 3♥X with a random minimum and a doubleton heart imo. Our double just that shows we have too much to pass and that no other option was available for us.

100 % agree with this.

[the_clown]

This would show a decent trap pass, may be even a void in ♥. Partner should not autopass it.

[jogs]

 benlessard, on 2012-March-26, 02:11, said:

I had

KQT8x
Jx
Axx
Qxx

I would have bid 1NT with your hand. But if they find
hearts, you're at their mercy.
Their pattern is 7=9=5=5. Your pattern is 6=4=8=8.
They control the ranking suit and it's longer.

E(tricks) = trumps + (HCP-20)/3 + e

When the HCP are 20/20 they rate to make 9 tricks
while you rate to make only 8. Therefore on this board
they control the auction even when the HCP is 22-18
in your favor.
If the minors are both 4-1, it may be difficult to stop
them from making lots of tricks.
Hope your partner lead a trump. Don't allow them to
make their nine trumps separately. Also defend the
other suits passively. Your tricks wont disappear. If
they don't hold AK of trumps and two side aces, you
may be able to hold them to 7 trump trumps and only
one other trick in the other three suits.