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Poll: 9 diamonds (30 member(s) have cast votes)

As dealer, Red vs White at IMPs, what action do you take?

  1. 1D (2 votes [6.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  2. 2C (14 votes [46.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 46.67%

  3. 3N (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 4D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 5D (1 votes [3.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.33%

  6. 6D (4 votes [13.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

  7. 7D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. other (9 votes [30.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.00%

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Posted 2012-January-03, 11:00


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Posted 2012-January-03, 11:35

Half tempting to open 4NT (specific aces) and jump to 7D if partner has the HA... For a more sane auction perhaps start with 2C and bid diamonds, followed by diamonds, more diamonds and even more diamonds.

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Posted 2012-January-03, 12:25

neither sayc nor 2/1 cover this shape very well.

2 then 4 will force partner to cuebid A, that´s what I´d try
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Posted 2012-January-03, 12:41

I would do what ahydra suggested, bid 4NT asking for specific aces, and bid 7 if partner admits to the A.
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Posted 2012-January-03, 14:56

Do the forcing opener. If nothing is learned in a couple of rounds, shoot 6D.
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Posted 2012-January-03, 15:12

For those bashing 7 opposite the A: isn't there another loser here? Are you just guessing that partner can cover the 3rd club? The chances may be fairly good (Q, K, A, doubleton club + a trump and a decent break) but I would hate to have to explain to partner or teammates if I went down.
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Posted 2012-January-03, 15:22

I would also open 4NT and hope for the best opposite the ace of hearts.
The only situation I wouldn't do that is playing against a much weaker team.

I'm not sure what the problem is with partner/teammates. The explanation is 'I couldn't think of a way to find out if we had a club loser or not, so I decided to take what I thought was the best approach to bidding the hand'.
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Posted 2012-January-03, 16:46

View Postwhereagles, on 2012-January-03, 14:56, said:

Do the forcing opener. If nothing is learned in a couple of rounds, shoot 6D.

Agree 6 seems to be the a priori best punt (needs Q, A, A+J, or some others = >61%), though I'm half expecting nothing to be learned because opps bid up to 4M before my next bid, I still start with the system bid.

View Postbillw55, on 2012-January-03, 15:12, said:

For those bashing 7 opposite the A: isn't there another loser here? Are you just guessing that partner can cover the 3rd club? The chances may be fairly good (Q, K, A, doubleton club + a trump and a decent break) but I would hate to have to explain to partner or teammates if I went down.

Assuming 4NT-5 also denies A, it needs either Q, K or something good in . 56% for the 1st two, don't think ruff or dropping is making up the gap tho...

View PostFrancesHinden, on 2012-January-03, 15:22, said:

The explanation is 'I couldn't think of a way to find out if we had a club loser or not, so I decided to take what I thought was the best approach to bidding the hand'.

I thought you have a method whereby you would later be able to bid 6 to ask about Q for a grand...?
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Posted 2012-January-03, 19:25

Funny that Q makes our hand worse. (Partner can't hold that card and we need J in addition to J for finesse)

Only sensible opening to me is 4NT, sometimes I hit the jackpot and partner has two aces. Most of the time I won't get the A and try 6.
When partner holds the A, it's really close between 6 and 7. I'm tempted to think that holding Q and T might give us enough extra squeeze chances for 7 to be good bet but that is assuming defense never leads against this sequence. Thinking of it, the heart lead seems clearly best so...

One last note, even if I had some other methods for bidding the hand (strong club and relays for everything) I wouldn't do that and hope opps won't interfere. I'm really afraid of giving them any bids below 5 lvl to point towards a really good sacrifice.
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Posted 2012-January-03, 19:40

View PostFlameous, on 2012-January-03, 19:25, said:

Funny that Q makes our hand worse. (Partner can't hold that card and we need J in addition to J for finesse)

Surely makes no difference in that respect. Partner is just as likely to hold Q when we have x as they are to hold J when we have Q. It does however improve 2, for one thing opps are less likely to compete in .
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Posted 2012-January-03, 20:21

Partner holding J won't help if he doesn't hold outside entry. Compared to we holding x or J and partner holding the Q.
But as I mentioned, holding Q does increase our squeeze chances a bit.
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Posted 2012-January-04, 14:46

View Postwhereagles, on 2012-January-03, 14:56, said:

Do the forcing opener. If nothing is learned in a couple of rounds, shoot 6D.

The danger of starting with a forcing opener is that the only thing you will learn is that the opps are in 6.

When we are talking about explaining things to team mates. I don't like to explain how they found a cheap NV save and we had to guess whether to defend or bid 7 while our team mates had to deal with a plain simple 6 opening.

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Posted 2012-January-04, 18:55

4N. If partner admits to the ace of hearts, 7 diamonds. Even if partner doesn't have the third round of clubs covered, the opponents still have to keep the right things when I run diamonds.
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Posted 2012-January-04, 19:34

View PostFlameous, on 2012-January-03, 20:21, said:

Partner holding J won't help if he doesn't hold outside entry. Compared to we holding x or J and partner holding the Q.

D'oh. Yes of course. I overlooked a finesse due to not wanting to be in grand on a finesse. But the chance has to be counted, and may take us past the magic 66%, but may also depend on whether we get a trump lead (e.g. stiff J in dummy).
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Posted 2012-January-07, 00:58

I am with Fluffy on this one. Does everyone play 4NT as asking specific aces?

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Posted 2012-January-07, 05:32

View PostYu18772, on 2012-January-07, 00:58, said:

Does everyone play 4NT as asking specific aces?


Most probably play it as "no agreement" - to the extent that they wouldn't risk bidding it.

"Specific aces" is what I regard as standard in England, based on 1970s books on Acol.

I am sure some play it as Blackwood, and some as "both minors", and some as a good 5m bid.
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Posted 2012-January-07, 06:06

View PostYu18772, on 2012-January-07, 00:58, said:

I am with Fluffy on this one. Does everyone play 4NT as asking specific aces?

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