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#1 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2011-November-08, 20:47


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Posted 2011-November-08, 20:48

3 looks right. Maybe we can shut out their heart fit.
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Posted 2011-November-08, 21:01

3C..mixed, not broke. With something pure, like XXX XX XX AXXXXX, I might consider 4
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Posted 2011-November-08, 21:10

View PostPhil, on 2011-November-08, 20:48, said:

3 looks right. Maybe we can shut out their heart fit.



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Posted 2011-November-08, 22:08

Another vote for 3♣
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Posted 2011-November-08, 22:51

And my vote for 3♣ makes 5.
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Posted 2011-November-08, 23:15

View Postchasetb, on 2011-November-08, 22:51, said:

And my vote for 3♣ makes 5.

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Posted 2011-November-08, 23:16

Sorry, I didn't realise it would be so boring. This was the full hand..




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Posted 2011-November-08, 23:34

3 suited strong hands are a bear to bid in 2/1

Now add that minor suited games are tough to bid in 2/1.


A perfect storm.
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Just to repeat, game in a strong 3 suitedhand are tough to bid in 2/1 and a minor suit.

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These are the type of hands that make people want to play a strong club.
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Posted 2011-November-08, 23:37

Nonsense. 1-3-5
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Posted 2011-November-08, 23:39

View Postaguahombre, on 2011-November-08, 23:37, said:

Nonsense. 1-3-5



Of course pard could be far far weaker than the example hand so not nonsense

this time pard has a max.

3c is weak not a mixed raise.....


easy 5c if mixed raise.
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Posted 2011-November-08, 23:43

View Postmike777, on 2011-November-08, 23:39, said:

Of course pard could be far far weaker than the example hand so not nonsense

this time pard has a max.

Sorry, I earlier described a mixed raise, not less than a response. My comment was based on that earlier post. If your 3C bids are different, then you have different issues to contend with.
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Posted 2011-November-09, 02:50

we are vulnerable, mixed raise or not, we are not broke and partner has a game drive or at least a 3M bid.
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Posted 2011-November-09, 09:16

5♣ will have reasonable play opposite the right 2 count:

Qx
xx
xxx
xxxxxx

Even 6♣ will make opposite this hand on the right day.
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Posted 2011-November-09, 14:18

I would bid 4♦ over 3♦ if its not ace-asking.
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Posted 2011-November-10, 10:46

I think this is too much for 3C, I'd bid 2C.
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Posted 2011-November-10, 10:55

View Posthan, on 2011-November-10, 10:46, said:

I think this is too much for 3C, I'd bid 2C.


I agree. In my style, 3C shows a worse hand. 2C is a constructive club raise, and that's what I have. If I had a mixed raise available, I'd do it.
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