[rduran1216]

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If you decide to bid 2S partner will raise to 3, North will pass, and now what?

[aguahombre]

The East hand does not have anything extra for a 2S advance to a direct-seat double.

IMO, it is subminimum for a 2S advance to partner's balancing seat double. (The xx by opener should not affect things in the same way that an xx by responder would have after a direct double.)

Pass would be a good idea now, for East.

[Hanoi5]

4♠. Values for doubler's partner should not change when doubler is in the pass-out position. Partner knows this, and he was also aware of the redouble, so hopefully he won't have wasted values in clubs.

[mtvesuvius]

LOL, so far Pass and 4♠, both of which seem quite bad imo. I like a nice quiet 1♠.

[aguahombre]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-June-20, 05:13, said:

LOL, so far Pass and 4♠, both of which seem quite bad imo. I like a nice quiet 1♠.

It was pass after having already bid 2S and getting raised. Of course 1S was possible earlier, but that is past history.

[nige1]

'rduran1216 asked....
If you decide to bid 2S partner will raise to 3, North will pass, and now what?

IMO...
Over the redouble, 1♠ = 10, 2♠ = 9, Pass = 0. I think Pass should be penalty
Over partner's raise to 3♠, Pass =10, 4♠ = 8, 2♠ = 4 .

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[gwnn]

2♠ is not a pretty bid. I like 1♠ originally and now I think it's high time to pass.

We have an aceless ugly duckling over here. Game takes a lot from partner. This is the sort of hand where it makes sense to pass partner's single raise even if he opened 1♣ and we replied.

[pooltuna]

you NV and partner is in balance position. 3♠ by pard, IMO, shows a more or less normal opening hand so I pass.

[han]

I'd also bid 1S the first time around.

[Phil]

han, on 2011-June-20, 06:26, said:

I'd also bid 1S the first time around.

I think overcalling with this hand is quite unsound.

[aguahombre]

Phil, on 2011-June-20, 09:51, said:

I think overcalling with this hand is quite unsound.

Humor, of course. Knowing Han meant after the double and redouble.

[mtvesuvius]

aguahombre, on 2011-June-20, 05:31, said:

It was pass after having already bid 2S and getting raised. Of course 1S was possible earlier, but that is past history.

Sorry, misread your post. In that case, I wholeheartedly agree

[pooltuna]

There appears to be some disagreemnet with calls after the XX in the OP text. I.e. after (1♣) P (P) X; (XX) what do the following calls mean pass, 1♦, 1♥, 1♠, 1NT, 2♣,2♦, 2♥, 2♠, 2NT,3♣,3♦, 3♥, 3♠, 3NT

Here some possiblities for discussion; hopefully they will be at least good targets for the skeeters out there

call; meaning
pass; to play - this means the responder is playing "must save"
1♦; less than a constructive raise
1♥; less than a constructive raise
1♠; less than a constructive raise
1NT; feel that this should stronger than a norm 1NT as you could save with 1x
2♣; not sure beyond forcing
2♦; constructive raise
2♥; constructive raise
2♠; constructive raise
2NT; min opening hand not wanting to punish partner
3♣; stopper ask for 3NT
3♦; limit raise
3♥; limit raise
3♠; limit raise
3NT; prefers not to play 1CXX

[jjbrr]

I also would have bid 1♠, but having bid 2♠ I would pass partner's raise.

[Hanoi5]

So, values do change after a balancing double. If after a direct double:

any new suit at the lowest level: 0-8
jump in any new suit: 9-11
cue bid: 12+

How does it change after a balancing double?

[whereagles]

I'd try 1♠ here. Over the rdbl, this sounds like a weak bid, but I'm going to take some action afterwards.

[whereagles]

Hanoi5, on 2011-June-20, 14:35, said:

So, values do change after a balancing double. If after a direct double:

any new suit at the lowest level: 0-8
jump in any new suit: 9-11
cue bid: 12+

How does it change after a balancing double?

You add a queen, e.g.

any new suit at the lowest level: 0-10
jump in any new suit: 11-13
cue bid: 14+

[Zelandakh]

whereagles, on 2011-June-20, 15:38, said:

You add a queen
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It depends where in the world you are! In Britain you act as if a king less, in Germany it is ~4hcp less if my translation of Forum D articles is correct. In general (very roughly) the more you are playing power doubles the lesser the differential; the more shape doubles then the larger the differential. Of course the boundary for a jump response also varies a little bit by region so you need to take that into account too...

[han]

Hanoi5, on 2011-June-20, 14:35, said:

So, values do change after a balancing double. If after a direct double:

any new suit at the lowest level: 0-8
jump in any new suit: 9-11
cue bid: 12+

How does it change after a balancing double?

Even after a direct seat double I wouldn't jump to 2S with that many 9-counts on balanced hands with only 4 spades.

[mcphee]

I think 1S is ok and we can take some action later being maximum for 1S. Passing is an option, but 1S does shut out a possible H bid from my LHO.