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Posted 2011-June-15, 02:34

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AQxxxx
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AQxxx

Patton, white against red.

1H - (2S) - 3D - (p)
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What's your call?

If partner bids 4H next, what would you do?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-June-15, 02:37

lol, nice title. I would bid 4C!

I guess part 2 was supposed to be the real problem. I would pass, partner sounds like he has some kind of misfit. Something like KJxx Jx AQJxxx x is entirely possible. Maybe that's a pessimistic view of life, but I have to work on the assumption that partner has only 2 hearts, and that is a bad start.
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Posted 2011-June-15, 02:39

At the table opener rebid 3H, which was raised to 4H. Perhaps the question about whether to move on is more interesting now?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-June-15, 11:04

4 then Pass for me as well. If I had bid 3, I think over 4 we owe partner a 4 call.
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Posted 2011-June-15, 13:01

View Posthan, on 2011-June-15, 02:39, said:

At the table opener rebid 3H, which was raised to 4H. Perhaps the question about whether to move on is more interesting now?

Yes, now we know that p prefers 4 to 3NT when given the choice, and that is great news. I think I make a move now. If I had bid 4 I would certainly pass 4.
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Posted 2011-June-15, 14:41

4 1st.Partner could have many hands for 4 and we have to respect this.

I'm guessing there was a slow 4 bid??
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Posted 2011-June-15, 21:21

View Posthan, on 2011-June-15, 02:39, said:

At the table opener rebid 3H, which was raised to 4H. Perhaps the question about whether to move on is more interesting now?


I pass 4H. Partner has wasted values in spades. Opponents would have bid 4S with their 9 or 10 spades with the AKQJ in that suit.
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Posted 2011-June-16, 01:24

Partner (me) has xx Kx AKJ10xx Kxx. Hearts and clubs split so 7C and 7H make. We ended up in 6H after .. 3H - 4H - 4S - 4NT - 6C - 6D - 6H. Good result, but it didn't seem like a good auction to me.

By the way, the opponents have 11 solid spades but only 6 tricks.
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Posted 2011-June-16, 02:41

I'd also bid 3, if partner raises it means he has xxx or Kx imo. We still have our void, good side suit and a little support for partner's suit, so I guess it's ok to try for slam.
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Posted 2011-June-16, 04:35

View Posthan, on 2011-June-16, 01:24, said:

Partner (me) has xx Kx AKJ10xx Kxx. Hearts and clubs split so 7C and 7H make. We ended up in 6H after .. 3H - 4H - 4S - 4NT - 6C - 6D - 6H. Good result, but it didn't seem like a good auction to me.

By the way, the opponents have 11 solid spades but only 6 tricks.


Over the 3H bid you are perhaps worth 3S? But good job opps not bidding with 11 spades, made it tough!
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Posted 2011-June-16, 10:56

This one looks like a 3H bid to show 6 hearts. We usually play 4C as a cuebid for D.
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Posted 2011-June-17, 03:01

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-June-16, 04:35, said:

Over the 3H bid you are perhaps worth 3S?


Perhaps, but I was afraid it would clobber the auction. If I bid 3S and partner bids 3NT, I can bid 4H and I've shown a good hand. But what if partner bids 4C or 4D?
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Posted 2011-June-17, 04:41

View Posthan, on 2011-June-17, 03:01, said:

Perhaps, but I was afraid it would clobber the auction. If I bid 3S and partner bids 3NT, I can bid 4H and I've shown a good hand. But what if partner bids 4C or 4D?


That is always a problem in this type of auction. Of course, you still need a strong raise in hearts! A fix that I've been playing lately is that 4C is always coming in hearts, and bidding 3S is either stopper ask or a 4C bid. This has some problems also, but I think a strong raise of hearts is far more important to clarify immediately than a natural 4C bid.

On this hand, if partner bid 4C over 3S, I would feel fine that we're off the AK of spades. If partner bid 4D it is more of a guess.
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