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Just a lead.

Poll: Just a lead. (20 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your lead?

  1. Spade Ace (2 votes [10.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  2. Spade Queen (3 votes [15.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  3. Small spade (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Heart (1 votes [5.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  5. Diamond Ace (1 votes [5.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  6. Low diamond (3 votes [15.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  7. Club (10 votes [50.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

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#1 User is offline   OleBerg 

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Posted 2011-January-09, 15:21



1NT was 12-14, no 4-card spade.
2 was sign-off (checkback in use).

Comments are welcome.

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Posted 2011-January-09, 15:58

A is at the top of the list so it must be right :) Of course actually this looks like a ruff declarer down type of defense and you need some high cards to do it plus declarer is really low odds to hold the K so maybe partner holds it.
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Posted 2011-January-09, 16:41

Q.

Maybe they have Kxx opposite 10xx. I have been waiting a while for one of these on opening lead.
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Posted 2011-January-09, 17:50

Low
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Posted 2011-January-09, 18:29

Q, and it's only slightly heroic.
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Posted 2011-January-09, 19:03

Are we all playing the same game?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-January-09, 19:41

View PostOleBerg, on 2011-January-09, 15:21, said:



1NT was 12-14, no 4-card spade.
2 was sign-off (checkback in use).

Comments are welcome.
Tricky. Your sig includes the nice bit of snide about 2/1 from gnasher, forestalling my temptation to assume MP since not stated.

At IMPs I'd go for the throat with a low diamond. Assuming length < 3 in dummy (else little hope to defeat) the underlead has reasonable compensatory prospects.

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Posted 2011-January-09, 21:40

I would lead the 9 of clubs...everything else seems pretty absurd actually!

What is the point of a low diamond, we're trying to tap them? I don't even get it. Maybe I'll get a club ruff and set them, if not I probably didn't blow a trick.
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Posted 2011-January-09, 21:41

This seems even worse than a normal Axxx underlead because it is extremely unlikely we'll be able to give partner a ruff in the suit if we hit gold (Qx and K in dummy or Kx or whatever).
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Posted 2011-January-09, 22:06

clb no conviction..

I will read the posts now
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Posted 2011-January-10, 00:03

I think A of spades rates best in this auction.
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Posted 2011-January-10, 02:23

low diamond or 9 are the options to me. I never led from AQx or AQxx dunno how it works.
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Posted 2011-January-10, 04:40

I'm not going to lead/underlead an ace into the stronger hand, nor leading a club into his main suit.

That leaves out a trump, which doesn't look so bad anyway.
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Posted 2011-January-10, 05:29

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-January-10, 04:40, said:

I'm not going to lead/underlead an ace into the stronger hand, nor leading a club into his main suit.



It's not into, it's through. That is a big difference.

A trump lead seems like it gives up tempo and the possibility of getting a ruff or a tap, etc etc. I like leading trumps more than most but this seems like the wrong time for it.
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Posted 2011-January-10, 05:40

Oh, you're right. My autopilot made me think it was a transfer auction, which is not. That makes a club more attractive then. I think I would still favor a trump, but on a good day I'd definitely try a club.
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Posted 2011-January-10, 06:01

View PostFluffy, on 2011-January-10, 02:23, said:

I never led from AQx or AQxx dunno how it works.


Free online lesson:

Say the opponents bid to 6 and you hold AQx.

Take the Ace. If the King doesn't appear in dummy, switch. If it does, continue diamonds. Often declarer will play for the drop.
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Posted 2011-January-10, 06:47

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-January-09, 21:40, said:

I would lead the 9 of clubs...everything else seems pretty absurd actually!

What is the point of a low diamond, we're trying to tap them? I don't even get it. Maybe I'll get a club ruff and set them, if not I probably didn't blow a trick.

With lowish heart spots the value of leading a doubleton club is greatly diminished. And there is the risk of declarer running away with trumps and clubs.
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Posted 2011-January-11, 03:35

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-January-09, 21:40, said:

. Maybe I'll get a club ruff and set them, if not I probably didn't blow a trick.


Are you sure ? Opener will be 3235 or 3334 most of the time due to raising with 3 cards tradition which i am not a big fan of it btw. And responder hands vary. He has at least 3 if not 4 imo. Pd could make a 2 balance with 5 or even with 4 sometimes. Low can blow a trick, but same goes for lead. In fact, if lead is wrong, it will probably blow more than 1 trick for defense i am afraid.

The more i think, the more i like my chances with low actually. Even if everything goes bad with this lead, as Marshall Miles would say, it is still a very good investment in a long match :D Being unpredictable always pay in bigger hands when you do something standart, especially when u make your unpredictable moves in situations like that where nothing else is more clear and the contract is just 2 ;)
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Posted 2011-January-11, 04:24

I think the most likely shapes around the table are 3235-4234-3532 and 3235-3244-4522. With more shape partner might have acted at some point.

Those distributions don't exactly scream for an active lead. It might be possible to set up dummy's clubs with a single ruff, but it's more likely that partner has them under control.

Originally I though a club was right, but it's unappealing to lead what's probably dummy's five-card suit. I'd lead a heart.
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Posted 2011-January-11, 04:35

View Postgnasher, on 2011-January-11, 04:24, said:

Originally I though a club was right, but it's unappealing to lead what's probably dummy's five-card suit. I'd lead a heart.


Yup, lead is also my other choice. As Ceeb mentioned scoring also matters here i guess.
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