10HCP, 5-5 in blacks
#2
Posted 2010-August-21, 10:43
Pass or 1♠ please. 1♠ for me.
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#3
Posted 2010-August-21, 11:21
#4
Posted 2010-August-21, 11:26
#5
Posted 2010-August-21, 12:45
aguahombre, on Aug 21 2010, 12:26 PM, said:
I solve the problem differently and preempt it even more!! I open is 2♠ showing 5+♠ and 4+♣ and a weak (minimum) normal opening bid. I got this from Ritong, but don't blame him for how weak I open it...
#6
Posted 2010-August-21, 13:09
George Carlin
#7
Posted 2010-August-21, 13:12

#8
Posted 2010-August-21, 13:44
inquiry, on Aug 21 2010, 12:45 PM, said:
aguahombre, on Aug 21 2010, 12:26 PM, said:
I solve the problem differently and preempt it even more!! I open is 2♠ showing 5+♠ and 4+♣ and a weak (minimum) normal opening bid. I got this from Ritong, but don't blame him for how weak I open it...
The thing is: after an allegedly normal 1S opening, if partner has an invite with 6 hearts ----this is a gleeful acceptance. Are you allowed to not use the 2S gadget even if you have it? Or, does that create an inference of a stronger hand if you show clubs after opening 1S?
#9
Posted 2010-August-21, 15:39
#10
Posted 2010-August-21, 15:48
aguahombre, on Aug 21 2010, 02:44 PM, said:
inquiry, on Aug 21 2010, 12:45 PM, said:
aguahombre, on Aug 21 2010, 12:26 PM, said:
I solve the problem differently and preempt it even more!! I open is 2♠ showing 5+♠ and 4+♣ and a weak (minimum) normal opening bid. I got this from Ritong, but don't blame him for how weak I open it...
The thing is: after an allegedly normal 1S opening, if partner has an invite with 6 hearts ----this is a gleeful acceptance. Are you allowed to not use the 2S gadget even if you have it? Or, does that create an inference of a stronger hand if you show clubs after opening 1S?
I can ignore the gadget, but if I do, I can never show clubs (as it shows a stronger hand, in the range of 15+ hcp), or I have to open 1♣ and rebid spades...
#11
Posted 2010-August-22, 09:48
Bbradley62, on Aug 21 2010, 11:36 AM, said:
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I have my home grown gadget for "protection" if partner has a GF.
Open 1C with a minimum or sub-minimum 5-5 ( like this one ).
1C - 1 red ( 1D or 1H )
1S - 2 other red! ( 2H! or 2D! = 4th suit GF )
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a) 2S = either a "difficult rebid" hand, 4-4 and no stop in the 4th suit ( for a 2NT rebid )-- which follows Max Hardy's concept of "least plausible rebid after a 4th suit GF" or a minimum 5-5 in the blacks.
b ) direct 3S jump = 5s/6c hand worthy of a reverse ( strength and shape-wise ).
If (a) 2S, and Opener does not make a 3rd Sp bid, then he has the 4-4 ;
but if he does make it ( delayed 3S ), then he has the minimum 5-5.
#12
Posted 2010-August-22, 09:59
#13
Posted 2010-August-23, 08:00
ONEferBRID, on Aug 22 2010, 03:48 PM, said:
Bbradley62, on Aug 21 2010, 11:36 AM, said:
I have my home grown gadget for "protection" if partner has a GF.
Open 1C with a minimum or sub-minimum 5-5 ( like this one ).
1C - 1 red ( 1D or 1H )
1S - 2 other red! ( 2H! or 2D! = 4th suit GF )
??
a) 2S = either a "difficult rebid" hand, 4-4 and no stop in the 4th suit ( for a 2NT rebid )-- which follows Max Hardy's concept of "least plausible rebid after a 4th suit GF" or a minimum 5-5 in the blacks.
b ) direct 3S jump = 5s/6c hand worthy of a reverse ( strength and shape-wise ).
If (a) 2S, and Opener does not make a 3rd Sp bid, then he has the 4-4 ;
but if he does make it ( delayed 3S ), then he has the minimum 5-5.
This is very fine, but on the real world opponents get into the bidding, partner raises clubs (good luck there to fidn your spade fit) etc.
#14
Posted 2010-August-23, 09:57
It's not reasonable to open 1♣ with hand that weak.
Maybe case could be make for opening 1♣ with strong hands when you can bid spades twice later on but if you can't you will be missing spades fits all the time.
Opening 1♠ has value by itself too, it's higher and more preemptive.
I don't see any advantages of opening 1♣. I mean can someone point as least one significant factor which favors it ? ("They could play in spades if we doesn't open" doesn't count !)
#15
Posted 2010-August-23, 10:08
After 1♠ - 2 red, you lack a good rebid, you just have to bid your spades again even though you have 5 card side suit.
1♣ - 1 red - 1♠, now you have showed at least 9 of your cards.
But in 2/1 GF, the first auction is hardly a problem since partner likely bids 2NT waiting and you get to show your clubs.
Also some competitive auctions could give 1♣ opening value, if our hearts were diamonds, you could hear 1♣ (1♥) pass (4♥) or alike, and now you can bid 4♠ to give partner a choice between black suits. If you had opened 1♠, you can't get the clubs in to the picture.
#16
Posted 2010-August-23, 10:25
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This is why I wrote that with stronger hand 1♣ has merits. With this I am not voluntarily bidding at 4 level after pass from partner. I think I don't have enough for:
1♣ 1♥ pass 2♥
2♠
Let alone higher levels...