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How about this? How would you treat it?

#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2010-July-10, 20:26

All red, you hold:

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3
AKQ97
Q97643

After two passes, how would you treat this hand? Would you open 1 or 1?

Let's say it goes:
Pa-Pa-1-1
1NT-2-???

What would you bid then?

Pa-Pa-1-1
1NT-2-3-3
X-Pa-???

How about then?

I understand you wouldn't get to any of these sequences but let's say you were sent to a table and the opponents refuse to redeal...

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


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Posted 2010-July-10, 21:51

Would have opened 1D, now I bid 3C.

Would sit for the double.
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Posted 2010-July-11, 02:43

The disparity of the suits, our overall weakness, and being opposite a passed hand are just enough to make me open 1.

Having opened 1, over 2 I'd bid 2NT, showing a two-suiter with one of the red suits.

I'm not answering the last question. If I had sat down part way through the auction and been presented with this auction, I would simply stand up again.
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Posted 2010-July-11, 02:56

I generally hate opening the 5 card suit rather than the 6 card suit but I think with 5-6 in the minors and a weak hand its mandatory, you cannot control the auction when you have the minors. I think with 5H and 6D it is also often right if the hearts are much better than the diamonds.

With AKQxx of diamonds and partner being a passed hand it seems like a no brainer to me, we get the right lead director in when they are extremely likely to play the hand. Getting to the wrong suit when partner is 2-2 or w/e is just not a concern at all, we won't be playing it unless he fits one minor really well.
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Posted 2010-July-11, 04:59

Having decided this hand is 1C and 2D reverse, bid it out. 4D.
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Posted 2010-July-11, 13:28

Perfer to open 1 to prevent the rebid problems that ended up happening :lol:

Anyway, 3 and pull pard's double to 4.
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Posted 2010-July-11, 19:09

I would have opened this one diamond, for the lead if nothing else. This is not a reverse hand for me, even with 6-5 I feel like I should have more values.
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Posted 2010-July-11, 23:25

Frankly I think opening 1 was awful.
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Posted 2010-July-11, 23:35

I think it's a clear 1 opening followed by bidding twice and at the four-level if necessary. The opponents can surely make 4 of a major whilst 5 of our minor is unlikely to be worse than -2.

The last scenario is exactly how the auction would've gone at my table and I would've ripped the double to 4. If the opponents bid 4 and partner doubles it, I'll pass as partner knows that I'm at least 6-5 in the minors but has still judged to double it.
Disclaimer: The above post may be a half-baked sarcastic rant intended to stimulate discussion and it does not necessarily coincide with my own views on this topic.
I bidding the suit below the suit I'm actually showing not to be described as a "transfer" for the benefit of people unfamiliar with the concept of a transfer
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Posted 2010-July-11, 23:37

He also thought you had a good hand and he is fairly likely to make a bad lead to boot!
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Posted 2010-July-12, 00:13

Hanoi5, on Jul 10 2010, 09:26 PM, said:

All red, you hold:

J
3
AKQ97
Q97643

After two passes, how would you treat this hand? Would you open 1 or 1?

Let's say it goes:
Pa-Pa-1-1
1NT-2-???

What would you bid then?

Pa-Pa-1-1
1NT-2-3-3
X-Pa-???

How about then?

I understand you wouldn't get to any of these sequences but let's say you were sent to a table and the opponents refuse to redeal...

1d

why? it is my strongest suit.....

\of course i may have problems but we know that ::)
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