The frying pan or the fire?
#1
Posted 2008-February-11, 00:17
♠8xx ♥Txx ♦9xxx ♣xxx
1♣ on right (could be 2), you pass, 1♥ on left, pard overcalls 1♠.
Supp x on right, LHO pulls to 1N. Pard doubles.
Sit or pull?
Do different conditions change your call?
#2
Posted 2008-February-11, 00:28
#3
Posted 2008-February-11, 00:49
#4
Posted 2008-February-11, 01:54
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#5
Posted 2008-February-11, 04:14
benlessard, on Feb 11 2008, 02:54 PM, said:
And if they make overtrick(s) its a bit more. 2S for me, pd's double is takeout anyway and why should she have a 2NT opening?
Is this hand the partner of the strong 4-4 S&D hand?
#6
Posted 2008-February-11, 04:49
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Sure looks that way
Told you 1♦ would work better *g
#7
Posted 2008-February-11, 05:57
#8
Posted 2008-February-11, 06:24
benlessard, on Feb 11 2008, 01:54 AM, said:
A 1S overcall with 20 hcp in a balanced hand?
#9
Posted 2008-February-11, 06:37
George Carlin
#10
Posted 2008-February-11, 08:10
jchiu, on Feb 11 2008, 01:28 AM, said:
Is it really takeout?
#11
Posted 2008-February-11, 08:28
TimG, on Feb 11 2008, 04:10 PM, said:
No, it shows cards. It asks me to do something intelligent, which is generally difficult of course, but in this case not. 2♠.
#12
Posted 2008-February-11, 09:30
Furthermore, I really don't think we're setting 1NT a lot if we CAN set it so we've missed out on a +100... so what?
#13
Posted 2008-February-11, 09:31
My first impression is to always pull because 2♠ could make, might not get doubled, opps might bid on and generally it forces the opponents to take their points rather than handing it to them on a plate.
But the more I think about it, the less sure I am.
#15
Posted 2008-February-11, 11:57
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
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#16
Posted 2008-February-11, 12:14
The_Hog, on Feb 11 2008, 02:14 AM, said:
No. I can say with authority as I held both the hand in question in this thread and the 4-4 S&D hand.
#17
Posted 2008-February-11, 12:57
#18
Posted 2008-February-11, 14:25
1. I expect pard to hold at least an 18 count or more, mostly due to the fact the opponents have subsided in 1N.
2. If LHO has a trump stack (he held KQJx), it's bad news all around. We are getting nailed in 2♠ and there's a strong double or triple stopper for our source of tricks. Do you think it's easier to take 7 tricks on defense or 8 tricks on offense? The worse of a position we are in, the better pass looks. If we take 6, 5, 4, or 3 tricks on defense, the score is -180, -280, -380, -480. Say we can take one more additional trick with spades trump, so we would be taking 7, 6, 5 or 4 tricks on offense. The spread is now -100, -300, -500, -800.
3. If LHO has a stopper, but a marginal trump stack, our chances on defense are a lot better, but in fairness, we are less likely to get doubled in 2♠ as well, but 1N will not be making very often either.
If we are vulnerable, I think this is a real easy pass. If we are white on red, it's an easy pull.
#19
Posted 2008-February-11, 15:10
Those who think its impossible to have 20-22 and make an overcall would you X and bid 2S with
AKQJx
Axx
QXX
KQ ?
After
(1X)----P-----(1Y)------???
its not balancing and expect partner to be broke when you have 18 +
So why would you want to X 1Nt with 18-19 pts ?
Why would you want to X and bid a new suit with 20-22 pts and a balanced hand ?
Im not saying i expect to get rich by defending 1Nt just that why be sure to get a minus when you might get a +. If they make an overtrick then partner made a mistake not you.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#20
Posted 2008-February-11, 15:11
pclayton, on Feb 11 2008, 03:25 PM, said:
It is funny, this is actually one of the holdings that worried me a lot, but I discarded it as unlikely
Let's say I pull to 2S. LHO has to make a 2-level penalty double with his trumps in front of the strong hand while his partner has promised nothing more than an 11-count with 3 hearts. Sure, he might hit this, but I'd say it's sort of unlikely.
Now it comes back to RHO, and while I bet he has extras, he can't really double for penalty without any trumps and partner having promised little more than ♠Kxx. He has to either pass or take us off the hook by bidding. He might even not have extras, in which case he has an obvious pass.

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