[kgr]

Scoring: IMP

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Your partner opens 1C and RHO passes.
What do you bid?

[csdenmark]

kgr, on Dec 26 2006, 01:11 PM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: Both Scoring: IMP

♠ 3 ♥ KQT976432 ♦ T3 ♣ 8

Your partner opens 1C and RHO passes.
What do you bid?

Cheapest forcing bids until at least game has been reached.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

1H, followed by 4H, ... and we
will play in hearts, unless he bids
7S.

It depends on your agreement,
but 4H would be a splinter for me.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[EricK]

P_Marlowe, on Dec 26 2006, 02:18 PM, said:

Hi,

1H, followed by 4H, ... and we
will play in hearts, unless he bids
7S.

It depends on your agreement,
but 4H would be a splinter for me.

With kind regards
Marlowe

I bid 4♥.

I presume 3♥ would be a splinter, so what is the difference in hand type if 4♥ is a splinter as well?

[hrothgar]

I lean towards 4♥, though I admit to an unhealthy fascination with 4NT

[helene_t]

I'm torn between 4♥ and 1♥. With 4♥ we might miss slam but I'm not so sure we will be able to do accurate slam investigation if I start with 1♥ and opps intervene. I think it's more likely that 4♥ will prevent opps from bidding 4♠. Then again, I know what to do over 4♠ (I bid 5♥).

I think I bid 4♥ because of the doubleton spades and the fact that LHO is an unpassed hand. I "know" that LHO will bid some number of spades over 4♥.

And no, it's not a splinter. You could use 3♥ as a splinter which would at least allow you to end in 3NT, but even that would be a silly agreement, IMHO. There's plenty of bidding space after a forcing 2♣ raise, that bid doesn't have to deny a singleton.

[cherdano]

helene_t, on Dec 26 2006, 05:26 PM, said:

And no, it's not a splinter. You could use 3♥ as a splinter which would at least allow you to end in 3NT, but even that would be a silly agreement, IMHO. There's plenty of bidding space after a forcing 2♣ raise, that bid doesn't have to deny a singleton.

Ouch. Helene, splinter are my friends, please don't attack them. I definitely would not want to play 1m-3M as anything but a splinter, I think they are great. (If you have a system to show shortness and extras after 1C-2C, I will concede of course.)

[cherdano]

Jlall, on Dec 26 2006, 06:20 PM, said:

cherdano, on Dec 26 2006, 10:51 AM, said:

helene_t, on Dec 26 2006, 05:26 PM, said:

And no, it's not a splinter. You could use 3♥ as a splinter which would at least allow you to end in 3NT, but even that would be a silly agreement, IMHO. There's plenty of bidding space after a forcing 2♣ raise, that bid doesn't have to deny a singleton.

Ouch. Helene, splinter are my friends, please don't attack them. I definitely would not want to play 1m-3M as anything but a splinter, I think they are great. (If you have a system to show shortness and extras after 1C-2C, I will concede of course.)

I think that was her point. You should certainly have some way to show shortness after 1C-2C given all the room you have. 1m-3M as preemptive is very very useful, and you can put the splinters into the inverted raise. But I digress...

I guess I should have been more specific: I like to be able to show shortness below 3N - I think it is a misunderstanding to think of splinters for minors as only a slam tool, they are quite useful as choice of games (with modest slam interest implied).
So if you and Helene can do that below 3N, we are all happy

[helene_t]

cherdano, on Dec 26 2006, 08:16 PM, said:

I guess I should have been more specific: I like to be able to show shortness below 3N - I think it is a misunderstanding to think of splinters for minors as only a slam tool, they are quite useful as choice of games (with modest slam interest implied).
So if you and Helene can do that below 3N, we are all happy

So after all we all agree :-) Happy Newyear ♥

[neilkaz]

As long as not playing that 4♥ is a splinter, this looks like a nice hand for a preemptive jump to game. If PD has a control oriented hand he can carry onwards since he has to suspect that I can take lots of tricks with ♥ as trump to bid 4♥ vulnerable.

Certainly I am at the top of my 4♥ bid as far as offence goes, but sometimes the opps are getting to 4♠ if I slow play the hand.

Replying 1♥ and then jumping to 4♥ is OK, and might just find a bit more slams, but it also lets the opps in and looking at my hand I have to bid at the 5 level if they bid to a pointed suit game.

On some days, the opps have a cold slam here, inspite of PD's opening.

Slight pref for 4♥ rather than 1♥ for me.

.. neilkaz ..

[csdenmark]

Looks like distribution is ♣ + ♥ and ♦ + ♠.

Therefore I think for both sides 4 MAJOR will make and no slam will make. The problem looks to me whether 5♠ will make. The interesting decision is therefore 5♥DBL or 5♠. For that the info is insufficient.

[mikestar]

Not close for me. 4♥ then bid one more over any number of spades they bid if partner can't double them.

Come to think of it, if we have the understanding that it is preemptive, a direct 5♥ isn't so bad--it will really put them to the guess plus the information that I'm defenseless but too good offensively to settle for 4♥ will let partner bid some slams that he will miss over 4♥. The downside is the possibility of down one (or one more) in the event they would sell to 4♥ or partner could double 4♠ successfully.

[kgr]

kgr, on Dec 26 2006, 01:11 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

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Your partner opens 1C and RHO passes.
What do you bid?

I did bid 4NT. Preemptive and still keeping 6H in the picture.
Nobody else seems to like this. What is wrong with it?

[whereagles]

A preemptive 4NT ace-ask? That seems like something out of a Rueful Rabbit book

[HeartA]

I second "1H followed by 4H".

[the hog]

I would bid 4NT. There is nothing wrong with that bid except that you might get too high. I'm willing to risk that to simplify the auction.

[bearmum]

kgr, on Dec 26 2006, 09:11 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

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Your partner opens 1C and RHO passes.
What do you bid?

1♥ (WTP) --- partner HAS to bid again to clarify his hand
Then depending on WHAT partner bids I will force to at least 4 ♥

[kgr]

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Thanks for answers.
Here the full hand and bidding at our table:
1C-4NT
5C-5H
7C-(DBL)-7H
P-(DBL)
Result: -2 after a club lead.