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Posted 2006-October-10, 10:00

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As you may know, homebase tournaments on the BBO provides web-based html results immediately following all of our events. These results include the full deal (see gif above) with the board number and contract (both on upper left hand corner), dealer and vulnerabilty (both shown at the top middle of the image, and in the auction box underneath the hand diagram, where East bids first, thus is the dealer, and on this board (number 2), NS are vulnerable, and as you can see North and South are highlighted in red in the auction table below the hand, while East and West are non-vul, and highlighted in green.

The hand record also includes the full hand. You should note however a couple of unique things. First, the hands are rotated so that you (your private hand record) has you at the bottom of the record. On this hand, I was "West" as indicated by the "W" in front of my name, but note, I am sitting in what appears to be the south seat. If Jillybean looked at her hand record (jilly's) for this hand, she would would appear in the south seat, and if patsy (clayniac) looked at hers. This rotating the hand for the user is especially nice in individuals, where you are always at the bottom of the diagram and your partner at the top, rather than sometimes you are in each of the four different seats.

The hand record also includes complete trick-by-trick play record (to the right of the hand diagram), the results for this table and imp/MP score, immediately underneath the hand diagram, the makeable contracts, with makeable contracts by the YOU (when viewing your own hand record) in the last column to the right of the auction (with the blue heading). Note: just as the hands are rotated for the player, the makeable contracts rotate as well. Followed by any alerts make on the auction (see jmk114's alert of the transfer). Optionally, there will be some analysis text, as shown in this example, then a table of results at all tables in the tournament (the table above with a yellow orange header). Note, in this example, I changed the names of the other players. However, see they are either blue with an underline (or purple with an underline if you have vistied one of those pages). This is because they are hyperlinks, if you click on one of them, you would jump to this hand (hand 2) as played by that declarer. The browser back button brings you back to your own hand. You should be aware t his display is a gif of the file, so the hyperlinks in this picture will not work. Finally, each hand on our Homebase hand record is separated by line listing all the boards in that tournament. Each of those board numbers are hyperlinks, so clicking the 12, for instance, will jump you immediately to board 12. At the very end of the file (not shown) is a final standing for the tournament.

This format takes up much less room when printed than out past format, and it is much easier to review the complete hand information generally in one screen of data on line, and has all the information about a single tourney (winners, bidding at your table, play at your table, alerts, computer generated makable contracts, and any commentary if included) in a single, easy to read format.

The improvement in the format came from user comments. Any additional comments on how to make additional improvements are always welcome.

Anyone who plays in a homebase event will have a record like this created and posted on the web for easy access. In addtion, any club member can choose if they like to have this emailed to them as shown above, or as a link to the webpage with the hand record, or as a plain text email that looks something like below (this is again a screen capture, since this forum mucks up hand diagrams and spaces).

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Posted 2006-October-23, 03:03

Seems to have it all, Ben.

I don't think the hand record 'flows' very well, so I've played around with it some: http://users.tpg.com...slhl2i/hbhr.pdf

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Posted 2006-October-23, 05:21

or http://users.tpg.com...lhl2i/hbhr3.pdf
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Posted 2006-October-23, 05:29

Mr. Dodgy, on Oct 23 2006, 04:03 AM, said:

Seems to have it all, Ben.

I don't think the hand record 'flows' very well, so I've played around with it some: http://users.tpg.com...slhl2i/hbhr.pdf

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I find showing "your" hand then the bidding very interesting. I am thinking I like that. The problem we were addressing with the re-write was to:

1) Make the vertical space reduced. This was due to complaints about scrolling up and down to see the play and the hand and the amount of paper when printing.

2) Move the play to the side, so that if you just wanted to see the bidding and results at other tables, you don't have to scroll through the play too

3) put the play at the side so that if you did want to see the play, you could see the "hand" too at the same time.

4) Really, we think none of our club members should use the webpage, other than to read the analysis... .. why? Because homebase bridgebrowser is SOOOOO much better way to review the bidding and play, at your table or others. see next image.
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This is clean, you can see results at all tables, you can see the play of the cards, you can actually replay the hand one card at a time, or one trick at a time, or you can jump to any trick and then click the lin button and open the hand in netbridgevu (you have to have netbridgevu on your computer) and replay it in that program instead -- more familiar environment, gib analysis, etc.. and you can play it double dummy in netbridgevu.
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Posted 2006-October-23, 07:04

Hi Ben

One quick comment: I'm not sure whether I'd prefer to always have "my" hand displayed as South versus Declarer diplayed as South. Most bridge columns and books always have declarer sitting South and this feels more natural to me
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Posted 2006-October-23, 07:22

dammit ben why did you get me started on this??

http://users.tpg.com...lhl2i/hbhr5.pdf

http://users.tpg.com...lhl2i/hbhr6.pdf

http://users.tpg.com...lhl2i/hbhr7.pdf
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Posted 2006-October-23, 07:26

hrothgar, on Oct 23 2006, 08:04 AM, said:

Hi Ben

One quick comment: I'm not sure whether I'd prefer to always have "my" hand displayed as South versus Declarer diplayed as South. Most bridge columns and books always have declarer sitting South and this feels more natural to me

Many BBOers will be used to always sitting south
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Posted 2006-October-23, 07:53

Mr. Dodgy, on Oct 23 2006, 08:22 AM, said:


I like the layout of the last example you gave. I will send stephen here to take a look at all of them. I am sure none of them are beyond his ability to program, but laying out tables is seems a little a tricky, and you have to account for 8, 9, 10 card suits which with all the hands, plays, bidding, on the same level could be a huge problem.

Richard, the main tournament hand page for each event has south as south. I think the comment that on the BBO people are use to seeing themselves in the "south" seat is correct...but you can have it both ways . And using bridgebrowser, of course, you can rotate the hand so any position is at the bottom of the screen. To do that, just click the little curved arrow in the middle of the hand diagram, the hands are then rotated to suit you. Or on the VIEW TAB (not shown here), you can choose to have any player by seat direction at the bottom, or by declarer or dummy, or by opening leader or opening leader partner. It is entirely up to you.

The idea of having the player in the south seat is to solve the problem of Individuals and swiss, where you keep jumping directions. It makes it easier for the player to orient themselves to the static hand diagrams as they scroll through the 12 hands on the page.
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Posted 2006-October-23, 08:14

Thanks ben, I like that one too :(

Yeah long auctions and/or those with numerous alerts, or those with a larger number of tables, as well as formatting long suits or names may be problematic to automate...but I think not significantly more than those same issues in the existing format.
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Posted 2006-October-23, 09:37

OK, last one.

http://users.tpg.com...hl2i/hbhr8c.pdf
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Posted 2006-October-24, 14:15

I sent a message to Steven and the only "new" item in it was perhaps having hands that had been played by famous players or in a famous tournament. This way you could provide a comparison as to how you did relative to Zia or Meckwell, which might generate some interest too.

I like the idea of more frequent offerings, even if they might be mini's (3 brd for $0.25, 6 brd for $0.50 etc.).

Kenberg and I tried but the tourney was cancelled....any poster who would like to play 2/1 with me at a HB tourney, let me know....I'll give it a shot, or two, or three...
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Posted 2006-October-24, 21:06

Same here. Am going back to regular hours starting 6 Nov and thusly will have time to participate in HB events.

Yes, I'll even play 2/1 just to have something to write about....
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