[microcap]

you hold

Scoring: IMP

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You open 1♦. 1♠ from p, 2♣ from you. 2♥ fsf from partner, 2NT from you, now 4♥ from partner. Do you pass or move for slam? For a change, this was not with Rex! LOL

[han]

I pass, I don't think that partner has shown any extra values so this seems easy.

[mike777]

microcap, on Feb 6 2006, 05:37 PM, said:

you hold

Scoring: IMP

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You open 1♦. 1♠ from p, 2♣ from you. 2♥ fsf from partner, 2NT from you, now 4♥ from partner. Do you pass or move for slam? For a change, this was not with Rex! LOL

Think of slam?

Worried game has no play .

[luis]

Gotta pass, there is no room to try anything logical.
What the hell is 4♥? There is no need to jump to 4♥ when we already are in a gf situation.

[microcap]

Is it possible for responder to hold ♠ AQxxx ♥ Akxxx xx x ? That was my fear.... To make a long story short, we ended up in 5♥, down one when my partner held ♠ AQJxx A10xxx x xx. He was not happy with me, which seems justified from the responses. I just felt that my hand had gotten much better from the bidding and that slam wasnt out of the question. But clearly I am wrong, as usual.

[Kalvan14]

Since 3♥ would have been GF (and confirming 5 cards, btw), IMO 4♥ should be a hand without any willingness to make a slam try. Pass, wtp?

[tysen2k]

Kalvan14, on Feb 6 2006, 04:01 PM, said:

Since 3♥ would have been GF (and confirming 5 cards, btw), IMO 4♥ should be a hand without any willingness to make a slam try. Pass, wtp?

My thoughts exactly.

[HeartA]

Slam was very possible if pd has the right cards. But I was shut up by his 4H. I have to pass now. If we miss slam, too bad (blame it to partner ).

[microcap]

Thanks to all for facilitating my progress from a horrible player to a really bad one.

[joshs]

I am expecting a 5-5-x-x shape and an absolute minimum game force but good suits.
e.g. AQJxx AJTxx x xx

I do not expect slam to make opposite that hand or something similar but I am very happy to actually have a fit for partner so I have a happy pass. (partner knew I had at least Hx in hearts, but I could have had just 2 of them, so I am happy that we are in a contract that is probably making)



Josh

[Free]

Completely agree with Kalvan, 4♥ is TO PLAY, otherwise it would've been a 3♥ bid.

[whereagles]

Hum.. this sort of bidding opposite a possible misfit should not show less than a good 6-5, with a tendency to 6-6. That is, at least, how I would interpret it.

This being said, pard had no where near his bids. A lousy 5-5 with mild suits and no help in the minors is not exactly what you should have to blast to the 4-level without any guarantees of a fit. Heck, opener could very well have a 2254, 1255 or 1264 with 12 hcp!

Basically responder butchered the hand. And worse, he did it with unusual bids which failed to describe his strenght adequately. He got what he deserved.

[microcap]

THANK YOU MR WHEREEAGLES!!! You are the first to realize why I am right and my world class partner was wrong. He had NO business making an FSF opposite a potential misfit with an 11 count. I couldnt imagine how going to the 5 level could be dangerous when I have a great K♠, Qxx in his suit, and AK working in !D.

[luis]

microcap, on Feb 7 2006, 05:09 PM, said:

THANK YOU MR WHEREEAGLES!!! You are the first to realize why I am right and my world class partner was wrong. He had NO business making an FSF opposite a potential misfit with an 11 count. I couldnt imagine how going to the 5 level could be dangerous when I have a great K♠, Qxx in his suit, and AK working in !D.

You can count with Mr whereagles support but I don't think you are right at all, even when your pd is 6-5 you will be missing 2 keycards, pd won't bid 4♥ with a hand that can produce a slam with your values. The key is not what you have the key is that your pd knows you can have what you have, so when he bids 4♥ you should just pass without even thinking. Your hand is limited by the 2♣ bid you can't bid past 4♥.
Yes you can have 2254 then just correct to 4♠ life is simple.

[cherdano]

Microcap, I think you were both wrong. I think your partner was right to force to game, but he should have bid 3♥ not 4♥, there is still a chance that 3N is better.

So you were right to expect more shape. But you had no right to expect a slam suitable hand, so you should have passed 4♥.

So in summary, your partner gave you a chance to make a mistake with a bad bid, and you took advantage and did the mistake. (At least you were on the same wavelength )

[han]

microcap, on Feb 7 2006, 12:09 PM, said:

THANK YOU MR WHEREEAGLES!!! You are the first to realize why I am right and my world class partner was wrong. He had NO business making an FSF opposite a potential misfit with an 11 count. I couldnt imagine how going to the 5 level could be dangerous when I have a great K♠, Qxx in his suit, and AK working in !D.

You are not right, you are wrong for several reasons. Also, I don't think that your partner did anything wrong.

What is your partner to do with his hand, this 5512 11-count? Pass 2C? Bid 2NT? How do you suggest getting to 4H, the right contract?

It is true that 2H is an overbid, but it is the only bid that allows him to describe his shape (unless you have an agreement about a direct 3H bid). Your 2NT bid over 2H shows a heart stopper, so the jump to 4H seems obvious. It could be a 5-2 fit, but in that case 4H might still play a lot better than 3NT.

[inquiry]

microcap, on Feb 7 2006, 12:09 PM, said:

THANK YOU MR WHEREEAGLES!!!

Unlike the rest of you, I think this thank you is sarcsam... See next sentence...

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why I am right and my world class partner was wrong. 

Some of us have a sense of humor... :-0

[han]

I sure hope it is sarcasm.. but I doubt it. Perhaps microcap can clarify, online humor is often lost.

[microcap]

I am seldom serious about anything!! After pondering all the responses, I assess 70% of blame to me, 30% to partner as I still think he does not have a game force hand.