BBO Discussion Forums: Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped? - BBO Discussion Forums

 kenberg, on 2019-January-16, 13:45, said:

As the saying goes, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics'"

You have to be able to correctly interpret the raw numbers. If you rely only on the raw numbers, you will constantly misunderstand what's happening.

From Judge to announce fate of Chicago cops charged with covering up Laquan McDonald's killing by Jason Meisner & colleagues at the Chicago Tribune:

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Individual-1 threatens to hold his breath until the Senate turns blue.

 Winstonm, on 2019-January-17, 13:31, said:

In your wildest dreams, Winnie!!

The current impasse and political situation reminds me of a couple current affairs events in the recent past.

The "trip postponement" is eerily similar to when Kim Jung Un boasted about having a button on his desk and President Trump retorted "I've got a bigger button and mine works."

It also occurs to me that the shutdown is very similar to when the Reps tried to shutdown the government during the Obama administration. Mitch McConnell is doing a great Harry Reid imitation in the Senate and President Trump is out-Obamaing Obama. King Barak I was terrific at talking about compromise, then coming out a day or two later and saying he wouldn't sign anything unless it had what he had originally asked for. In the end, Reid and Obama were able to make the Reps cave on the shutdown. Let's see how the Dems fair.

Now, I won't compare Speaker Pelosi to any of the Reps who sought to shutdown the government. She's either being held hostage by the radical left of the Dem party or has become unhinged with a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Take your pick.

The funniest moments of this situation was the Dem response to President Trump's speech. Many comments abounded about how Chuck and Nancy looked and spoke like cardboard cut-outs. That was pretty apt. But the best satire of that situation was the person who imposed Chuck and Nancy's faces over Grant Wood's classic painting American Gothic -- perfect!

The Dem push for opening the government and then negotiating on border security is a con job. Starting with the Reagan administration, the Dems promised to follow up on improved border security and comprehensive immigration reform for amnesty. Then they reneged. Several times since, it's been the same story. Reps know that if they open up the government, the Dems won't negotiate nor compromise on border security. Once burned, twice wise.

I think the situation may linger until the new mega-caravan gets to the border. It may be the tipping point to turn public opinion in favor of the "wall".

Check or checkmate?

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 rmnka447, on 2019-January-17, 21:12, said:

Is Dennison's bigger button really big like his very big hands? Certainly cancelling Pelosi's trip was probably irritating to Pelosi and others in the delegation, but all in all, no big deal. And it showed the pettiness of Dennison, especially as Melania was flying on Air Force 2 down to Florida for a vacation. Postponing (or even cancelling) the State of the Union message where Dennison was going to take the opportunity to try to savage the Democrats over the wall? Basically the biggest presidential PR event of the year. Who do you think won that round?

 rmnka447, on 2019-January-17, 21:12, said:

Yes, Republicans love to shut down government and cut services that people need.

 rmnka447, on 2019-January-17, 21:12, said:

Are you so stupid that you don't know that President Coulter's puppet Dennison agreed on the budget and said he was going to sign and that the Republican majority Senate passed a spending bill by a veto proof majority. And that because President Coulter has said no negotiations, lying Mitch the hypocrite has refused to let the new budget bill (actually almost the same bill passed and approved in the last Congress) come to a vote. I withdraw the question.

 rmnka447, on 2019-January-17, 21:12, said:

The Dennison Lie Counting app overheated and broke down because it couldn't keep up with the lies during Dennison's speech. Dennison already said he could declare a national emergency and build the wall without the Democrats. Dennison has said many times that he is already building the wall (and maybe it is almost finished ). If the border is such a serious and immediate problem, isn't Dennison President Coulter derelict in his job in not declaring a national emergency?

 rmnka447, on 2019-January-17, 21:12, said:

Do you get tired of being ignorant? Apparently not.

https://www.politico...-respond-470687

Dennison could have had 25 billion, not just 5 billion, for his border wall if he had been willing to negotiate in good faith.

 rmnka447, on 2019-January-17, 21:12, said:

Wow, your amygdala must be stuck in overdrive. In any case, the only wall that's going up right now is the wall around Dennison to try to insulate himself against felony charges and the Mueller investigation.

 Winstonm, on 2019-January-17, 21:46, said:

In bridge terms, claim all, or concede all.

Democrats demand investigation after report that Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress

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Dennison's "free" attorney gives advice worthy of his compensation.

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Cohen is just the guy who says "Look here, and look there". Without corroboration, it's his word against Dennison's. Cohen has been convicted of lying to the FBI, Dennison is unindicted Individual-1. It might be hard to pick a winner if this was Liars Poker. With corroboration, it looks like Dennison is going to be buried.

 johnu, on 2019-January-18, 03:23, said:

lol @ sensitive John

It goes to show the mindset of the president's "base" when an allegation so serious it could end his presidency is ignored but the spiteful trip cancellation is held up as presidential acumen. This is allowing bitterness and resentment to overwhelm intelligence.

 rmnka447, on 2019-January-17, 21:12, said:

You mean when the next group of asylum-seekers lawfully presents themselves at a border checkpoint? Yes, that should really terrify us all.

I was wondering, does it matter to you that the narrative this president has carefully crafted about himself - that he is a self-made successful businessman - is all false, that his "success" came from a combination of support from his father's wealth and the image-creating mastery of television producers for "The Apprentice"?

Guest post from Paul Krugman via twitter

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Anyone who thinks Trump is the only problem isn't paying attention.

Yep, a wall. That'll do it.

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 rmnka447, on 2019-January-17, 21:12, said:

If you're serious about this, then you are dumber than I thought...

The last caravan, like the caravans before it marched right up to the "wall" and promptly applied for asylum.
They did so are the heavily monitored section of the border at San Diego (Which has one of the most serious sections of "wall")

The existence of a physical barrier is completely irrelevant to the asylum process.

Its only idiots like you who believe the ridiculous claims that there is a linkage between building more concrete barriers and dealing with the humanitarian crisis at the border.

 Winstonm, on 2019-January-18, 12:12, said:

How could immigrants do that Andrei? Were they highly trained agents from Mission Impossible?

Beginning to look like the President was involved in a conspiracy to suborn perjury and specifically directed Cohen to lie to congress.

This is a felony.

Please pass the pizza.

 Winstonm, on 2019-January-18, 08:35, said:

The Special Counsel's office has said the Buzzfeed report is inaccurate. But, of course, in the progressive biosphere, the steady stream of unattributed accusations are considered all fact and must be shaking our democracy to its foundations. The only problem with that reality is that whenever things aren't going well for the Dems, one of these "bombshells" seems to appear with a regularity that is unreal. But, of course, fake news is that way.

The President postponing the trip was a political act just like Speaker Pelosi's refusing to make the House available for the State of the Union Address. Sure its tit for tat, if you please. But it made its point that if Speaker Pelosi wants to play political games she'll get full measure back.

Of course, it focuses attention that the Speaker who has been claiming the Dems were with the workers was going out of the country for a week and ensuring the shutdown would last a week longer. Guess the Dems are more interested in retreating to Puerto Rico to a lobbyist sponsored and paid for "retreat" on the beach and junkets to smooze with the financial elite in Switzerland than address the problems facing this nation. The optics are terrible for Dems, my friend.

Evangelical University Praises IT Chief Who Allegedly Participated In Trump Poll Fraud

I would expect nothing less from a college founded by Jerry Falwell. It's clear that IT Chief Gauger was on a Mission From God.

 rmnka447, on 2019-January-18, 19:55, said:

And this is being discussed extensively on MSNBC and other "real" news networks. That's the difference between them and Fox Propaganda which will sometimes just make up things, and then refuse to correct them on air, or even continue to repeat things when confronted with evidence that they are completely wrong.

And Buzzfeed is not backing down and insists that the original reporting is correct. We don't know exactly what Mueller's office thinks is inaccurate. It could be something substantial, or something very minor.

 rmnka447, on 2019-January-18, 19:55, said:

As I previously noted, cancelled State of the Union speech versus cancelled flight. Do you really claim to not know who scored a knockdown, and who is trash talking while still dazed and laying on the canvas? Dennison is going to have the White House plumbers wall-borders (sic) over to Pelosi's office and build a wall in front of her office. That will be full measure.

 rmnka447, on 2019-January-18, 19:55, said:

Your ignorance is stunning. Not "Stunning" Steve King stunning, but Pelosi was going to Afghanistan to meet troops and commanders on the ground. Dennison already literally pounded on a table and stormed out of a negotiation with Pelosi and Schumer and has said he won't negotiate. Staying in Washington wasn't going to speed up anything.

From the right fringe Republican viewpoint, just existing is terrible optics for Democrats.

 rmnka447, on 2019-January-18, 19:55, said:

The Special Counsel is disputing specific details about Buzzfeed's: (For example, the accuracy of the underlying quotes or whether they were specifically collected by Muller as opposed to, say, the SDNY)

I don't believe that they have disputed the primary claim (The President suborned perjury)

Time will tell