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5 card stayman? where did this come from!

#1 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted Today, 19:42

Has anyone come across this?


1NT pass 2♣? The opener’s responses are: 2♥/2♠ = minimum hand (12/14/15) with a 5-card
suit. 3♥/3♠ = maximum hand (14/16/17) with a 5-card suit.

To deny a 5-card major, the opener responds: 2♦ = minimum hand with no 5-card suit. 2NT =
maximum hand no 5-card suit.

With enough for game interest, to find a 4-4 major suit fit, responder just repeats the inquiry by
bidding 3♣.

Note that responder may also bid 3♥/3♠ which is Smolen showing four cards in the bid major
suit and five cards in the other suit, then alert. Smolen does not interfere with the 5-card Major
Stayman bids.

After the three club responder bid, opener can show a 4-card major by bidding 3♥, the
cheapest major suit, identical to the 2♣ non-forcing Stayman bid.

Without game interest and hearing opener’s two diamond minimum response, responder does
not bid three clubs, but 2♥ = four hearts, 2♠ = four spades, or 2NT= no 4-card major.
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Posted Today, 19:59

I don't know if this is relevant but I remember hearing somewhere (likely here) that 4-4 fits are better than 5-3 fits
or stay in NT :)

Everyone also knows for me KISS rules
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Posted Today, 20:00

Above my pay grade. I did have 1NT-3 as Puppet Stayman on my "to do" list but had not heard of using 2. However, through the magic of Google, I did find this discussion - https://bridgewinner...puppet-stayman/

Thanks for posting - I've been bored today. :)
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Posted Today, 20:03

So 1NT is 12-17 or 10- 19?
Why such a narrow range?
Off shape 1NT openings allowed also?
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Posted Today, 20:12

1nt 3C puppet is fine.

I have no knowledge or experience with this, it looks like 12-17nt
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Posted Today, 20:30

I don't know what you're looking at, but I think they're giving examples of three different ranges, 12-14, 14-16, and 15-17. If your range is 12-14, then min = 12, max = 14, etc.

12-17 wouldn't make much sense for a NT range IMO and wouldn't even be legal under ACBL rules, which limit the range to 5 HCP.
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Posted Today, 20:45

My 12-17 reply was in response to Mike's question, personally I'd be in favour of 10-19.

I have never seen this before but from the link you posted, players have been talking about it since 2014.
It has been suggested I play it this weekend in a sectional - NO!
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