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What are your agreements about Double, 2NT and 3H here ?
Partner's double was takeout promising 4 card spades (or a hand too strong to overcall directly in another denomination).
Make the opponents' suit diamonds and this would be a Responsive double promising majors 4-4.
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(1H) X (2H) ?
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Posted 2025-January-11, 09:25
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Posted 2025-January-11, 14:27
Lebensohl on for us
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Posted 2025-January-11, 15:21
Cyberyeti, on 2025-January-11, 14:27, said:
Lebensohl on for us
Agree
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Posted 2025-January-11, 15:36
Cyberyeti, on 2025-January-11, 14:27, said:
Lebensohl on for us
In this situation especially you need _reverse_ lebensohl. In a standard lebensohl, you get (1♥) - X - (2♥) - 2NT - (4♥) - ???
Doubler badly needs to know advancer's long suit.
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Posted 2025-January-11, 16:51
bluenikki, on 2025-January-11, 15:36, said:
In this situation especially you need _reverse_ lebensohl. In a standard lebensohl, you get (1♥) - X - (2♥) - 2NT - (4♥) - ???
Doubler badly needs to know advancer's long suit.
Doubler badly needs to know advancer's long suit.
We do actually play reverse, probably transfer is as good as any
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Posted 2025-January-11, 18:32
We don’t play reverse lebensohl. I see the argument for it, akin to the debate over good-bad or bad-good 2N
I don’t play that the double of 1H shows 4 spades. That has all the indices of an unplayable method. Give me AQx xx AJxx Kxxx and why on earth would I want to have to pass? Surely nobody actually plays that?
As for the question:
Double shows both minors. 2N shows a one suited minor, less than forward-going, although one could play something for 2N then 3S over partner’s probable 3C.
3H sets a gf. Doubler bids naturally.
I don’t play that the double of 1H shows 4 spades. That has all the indices of an unplayable method. Give me AQx xx AJxx Kxxx and why on earth would I want to have to pass? Surely nobody actually plays that?
As for the question:
Double shows both minors. 2N shows a one suited minor, less than forward-going, although one could play something for 2N then 3S over partner’s probable 3C.
3H sets a gf. Doubler bids naturally.
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Posted 2025-January-12, 10:43
Hi,
we play 2NT as Reverse Lebensohl, ..., we always play Reverse Lebensohl in all Lebensohl Seq.,
it is possible, that it is sometimes better to play Lebensohl instead of Reverse, but keep it
simple.
X is T/O, basically showing the minors.
3H is stopper ask, ..., unlikely to ever happen, given the auction, that occurred.
With kind regards
Marlowe
we play 2NT as Reverse Lebensohl, ..., we always play Reverse Lebensohl in all Lebensohl Seq.,
it is possible, that it is sometimes better to play Lebensohl instead of Reverse, but keep it
simple.
X is T/O, basically showing the minors.
3H is stopper ask, ..., unlikely to ever happen, given the auction, that occurred.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2025-January-12, 11:38
I actually play 2nt natural here. Double is minors. With four spades I bid them.
Generally not a fan of “good-bad” type methods when pass is available as an option (as here) — it’s different when you’re forced to bid (or defend 2♥X).
Generally not a fan of “good-bad” type methods when pass is available as an option (as here) — it’s different when you’re forced to bid (or defend 2♥X).
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Posted 2025-January-12, 11:40
I wasn't aware that lebensohl was used in this situation. Doing some research, I found this article on BW - https://bridgewinner...bensohl-family/
Just thought I'd share it in case anyone else is interested.
Just thought I'd share it in case anyone else is interested.
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