[jillybean]

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Matchpoints

Playing Multi (3 way) but also interested to know what others do with this hand in 4th seat.

[pilowsky]

Mr Pearson suggests 1♠.
For me it would depend a lot on my partner, the opps and the match situation.

[DavidKok]

1♠ seems right. In fourth seat preemptive bids usually show intermediate hands instead (for me: approximately good 12-bad 16) so that partner doesn't have to strain with an invite over a 1-level opening.

[mikeh]

DavidKok, on 2023-January-23, 02:56, said:

1♠ seems right. In fourth seat preemptive bids usually show intermediate hands instead (for me: approximately good 12-bad 16) so that partner doesn't have to strain with an invite over a 1-level opening.

Plus even a simple drury method keeps you low. Otherwise, I echo your post, about the 2 bid

Btw, jb, make sure you discuss 4th seat two bids. Multi makes no sense, as I see it. Multi is somewhat preemptive while also being ambiguous. Yet in 4th seat, both opps have passed. There’s likely to be no inconvenience caused to them. So I’d use natural, intermediate openings of 2D/H/S…or at least be sure partner and I are on the same wavelength

[DavidKok]

Depending on your 4th seat opening ranges there is no great need for a Drury bid, but if you play it in other situations there's no reason to stop playing it here.

[Cyberyeti]

mikeh, on 2023-January-23, 03:18, said:

Plus even a simple drury method keeps you low. Otherwise, I echo your post, about the 2 bid

Btw, jb, make sure you discuss 4th seat two bids. Multi makes no sense, as I see it. Multi is somewhat preemptive while also being ambiguous. Yet in 4th seat, both opps have passed. There’s likely to be no inconvenience caused to them. So I’d use natural, intermediate openings of 2D/H/S…or at least be sure partner and I are on the same wavelength

We used to play 10-14 as our intermediate range, and I would do that on this hand. Multi is not terrible if intermediate rather than weak and tightly defined and you have a good use for the 2M bids, but we don't.

[mw64ahw]

This is an opening hand for me so 1♠

Without the ♥ suit I would contemplate 2♠ rather than 1♠ as I'd probably end up there anyway although this is a touch light on hcp

[LBengtsson]

Aceless hand but you only have to find partner with ♠x ♥KQxxx ♦Axx ♣xxxx for 4♥ to be a reasonable contract barring bad breaks. Whether you can reach the game contract is another matter. It qualifies for a 4th seat intermediate 2 level opening, but I prefer 1♠ here.

There is the smartass bid of opening 4♠ here, and given neither opponent has opened, partner will have at least 10 HCPs but finding out whether they are the right 10HCPs is another thing. If the MP tournament was going well, I would open 1♠ or 2♠; if it was not then I would consider the speculative 4♠ opening (as stupid as it seems, it is not totally crazy imo.)

[pescetom]

LBengtsson, on 2023-January-23, 07:00, said:

Aceless hand but you only have to find partner with ♠x ♥KQxxx ♦Axx ♣xxxx for 4♥ to be a reasonable contract barring bad breaks. Whether you can reach the game contract is another matter. It qualifies for a 4th seat intermediate 2 level opening, but I prefer 1♠ here.

There is the smartass bid of opening 4♠ here, and given neither opponent has opened, partner will have at least 10 HCPs but finding out whether they are the right 10HCPs is another thing. If the MP tournament was going well, I would open 1♠ or 2♠; if it was not then I would consider the speculative 4♠ opening (as stupid as it seems, it is not totally crazy imo.)

A clear 1S for me, no way 2S or 4S with these cards. After 1S we're not going to miss 4H in your example as you say, and our hearts aren't going far otherwise.

[Tramticket]

LBengtsson, on 2023-January-23, 07:00, said:

There is the smartass bid of opening 4♠ here

This is a silly idea. You should be expecting to make your contract when opening in fourth seat. This should be self-evident - you could always pass.

Which 10 tricks are you expecting take?

Maybe partner does have ten points and a couple of aces ... you might then find yourself in a small slam!

[jillybean]

Weak multi in 4th seat makes no sense so is it best to play it off or with a strong hand do you still retain the 2♦ 2♥ 2nt?

This is what happened at the table and hence the title of the post. (I'm sitting East)

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The real bullshit came at the end of the hand when south tells partner with 6-4 majors they shouldn't use multi but open that 1♣ or 1♦

(With a little better spots I open W 1nt 12-14)

[mycroft]

Okay, I seem to be in the strong minority, but I would bid 2♠. I expect to make it on most hands, and I'm willing to give up on 20 point heart games to go plus by winning the auction with the first bid. I will admit I'd lose on this hand, but still.

Having said that, 2♥ by south playing Multi is - odd. 2♠ seems automatic. Yeah, partner has spades, I know that, but on the odd chance he has hearts and a fourth-seat Multi bid, I want to be in game. Why not tell him that? I guess he thought he could get away with the auction at the table (if we have the 10 card heart fit, partner will pass and the opponents won't bid their massive spade fit, if as expected partner has spades, I'm sure my 5-x club fit will play better than the 6-0 spade misfit. Which, of course, it doesn't, and we give up our opportunity to go plus. The fact that we could get a better plus in hearts doesn't absolve turning 2♠= into 3♣-1.) But I don't play Multi for some strange reason (starting with AC), so maybe I'm wrong here.

[pescetom]

mycroft, on 2023-January-24, 20:36, said:

Okay, I seem to be in the strong minority, but I would bid 2♠. I expect to make it on most hands, and I'm willing to give up on 20 point heart games to go plus by winning the auction with the first bid. I will admit I'd lose on this hand, but still.

Having said that, 2♥ by south playing Multi is - odd. 2♠ seems automatic. Yeah, partner has spades, I know that, but on the odd chance he has hearts and a fourth-seat Multi bid, I want to be in game. Why not tell him that? I guess he thought he could get away with the auction at the table (if we have the 10 card heart fit, partner will pass and the opponents won't bid their massive spade fit, if as expected partner has spades, I'm sure my 5-x club fit will play better than the 6-0 spade misfit. Which, of course, it doesn't, and we give up our opportunity to go plus. The fact that we could get a better plus in hearts doesn't absolve turning 2♠= into 3♣-1.) But I don't play Multi for some strange reason (starting with AC), so maybe I'm wrong here.

I don't play Multi (so if I'm wrong you know why) but FWIW I agree.

PS. AC?

[mycroft]

BL :-)