[AL78]

MPs

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That was almost a bottom, one pair made 4♠ but all the rest but one were going off in 4 or 5♠. She said afterwards she felt I had the ♠K. Damned women's intuition .

[eagles123]

It’s clear you have the king if you didn’t u would’ve given P a trump promotion by playing a third club. You should still play a club at trick 4 no reason why the 9 and 6 of spades couldn’t be switched for example.

[AL78]

eagles123, on 2022-November-20, 07:53, said:

It’s clear you have the king if you didn’t u would’ve given P a trump promotion by playing a third club. You should still play a club at trick 4 no reason why the 9 and 6 of spades couldn’t be switched for example.

She would have given me that reason if she really had worked that out so it is near certain she didn't.

[smerriman]

AL78, on 2022-November-20, 07:47, said:

That was almost a bottom, one pair made 4♠ but all the rest but one were going off in 4 or 5♠.

So it would have been an equally bad score even if she finessed the spade?

[AL78]

smerriman, on 2022-November-20, 16:16, said:

So it would have been an equally bad score even if she finessed the spade?

Yes, but still irritating.

[thepossum]

Poker faces are difficult and some people notice people trying

[TylerE]

I dislike 2NT intensely.

I prefer my two Surtees to either be weak or game forcing. This is neither, and the suits aren’t really that good either, they aren’t going to play well opposite 2 or 3 small.

[AL78]

TylerE, on 2022-November-22, 02:08, said:

I dislike 2NT intensely.

I prefer my two Surtees to either be weak or game forcing. This is neither, and the suits aren’t really that good either, they aren’t going to play well opposite 2 or 3 small.

I take your point and I used to play it as either weak or strong, but several people I partner don't play it that way. If I am not using the unusual 2NT on a hand like that, I might as well take it off the card it comes up so infrequently as it is.

[mycroft]

I am moving away (quite strongly, in fact) from "mini-maxi" two-suited bids to "it has some cards, and some expectation that declaring will be right". And that goes double for 2NT.

The mini- always seems to end up defending, and somehow they declare better when they know where all the cards are. When we do play it, it's for 800 into game or worse. The maxi never happens, and partner doesn't know what to do with their two queens when it does.

Of course, I also play a set of constructive advances I first heard about from McKenzie Myers (back when he was a pro player). Which work well if you actually have something.

So I actually am interested in 2NT here. Pity partner has misfitting nothing.

But as I say a lot - including just yesterday here - it doesn't matter what I think, or what anybody else here thinks; if it's a 2NT bid to partner, then you make it. If it's not a 2NT bid in partner's eyes, you don't.

[Douglas43]

AL78, on 2022-November-22, 14:25, said:

I take your point and I used to play it as either weak or strong, but several people I partner don't play it that way. If I am not using the unusual 2NT on a hand like that, I might as well take it off the card it comes up so infrequently as it is.

It's 6-5 non-vulnerable. 2NT for me every time.

[TylerE]

mycroft, on 2022-November-23, 10:02, said:

I am moving away (quite strongly, in fact) from "mini-maxi" two-suited bids to "it has some cards, and some expectation that declaring will be right". And that goes double for 2NT.

The mini- always seems to end up defending, and somehow they declare better when they know where all the cards are. When we do play it, it's for 800 into game or worse. The maxi never happens, and partner doesn't know what to do with their two queens when it does.

Of course, I also play a set of constructive advances I first heard about from McKenzie Myers (back when he was a pro player). Which work well if you actually have something.

So I actually am interested in 2NT here. Pity partner has misfitting nothing.

But as I say a lot - including just yesterday here - it doesn't matter what I think, or what anybody else here thinks; if it's a 2NT bid to partner, then you make it. If it's not a 2NT bid in partner's eyes, you don't.

That seems like more of an argument for finding a better use for 2NT to me, which I don't actually disagree with. Micheals tends to do a lot better since you can outbid them more cheaply.