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boring hand what you answer with this flat hand

#1 User is offline   michel444 

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Posted 2022-September-13, 01:16


west is Dealer
your biding system is a 5 cards Major
North open 1
East pass
what do you bid
if east make a 1 over call does it change ?
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Posted 2022-September-13, 02:08

South opens 1 and you give us the South hand, this doesn't help. If you mean N opens 1 I respond 2 inv + inverted. If there's a 1 overcall I can (unusually, most people don't do this) still use the invert or bid 2N natural. 2 would be available to most people as a diamond raise.
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Posted 2022-September-13, 02:50

What is a boring hand doing in Interesting Bridge Hands? :)

As Cyberyeti said, it depends upon many system variations, there is no single "5 card majors". To start with, 1 might promise 3,4 or even 5 cards. Most could bid a natural 2NT response, although that would be timid here IMO. Some play 1 - 2 as GF, others 1 - 2, others both of these or neither.
In our system it would probably go 2 if uncontested, 2NT if E interferes 1 though a 2 diamond raise is also available.
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Posted 2022-September-13, 03:09

View PostCyberyeti, on 2022-September-13, 02:08, said:

South opens 1 and you give us the South hand, this doesn't help. If you mean N opens 1 I respond 2 inv + inverted. If there's a 1 overcall I can (unusually, most people don't do this) still use the invert or bid 2N natural. 2 would be available to most people as a diamond raise.

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Posted 2022-September-13, 08:18

In the ACBL you will likely see many people bid 2NT with this hand. They either don't have enough points (GF) or enough diamonds (5) for a diamond raise, and this hand is balanced. I'm not saying that's good, but it would happen.

1-2NT INV NF is incredibly ugly, but it seems to be becoming standard.

I doubt it would change with a 1 overcall, but many (including me) would shift to "support with support in competition", 4-cards and no ruffing value ignored.

If you play "unbalanced diamond" or at least "1 clubs or balanced", that tips the scales in favour of a diamond raise; at least you don't have 12-flat opposite 12-flat pretending to play in diamonds.
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Posted 2022-September-13, 12:48

View Postmichel444, on 2022-September-13, 01:16, said:


west is Dealer
your biding system is a 5 cards Major
North open 1
East pass
what do you bid
if east make a 1 over call does it change ?



6 diamond is makebale if finess work
yje final contract is 3Nt making 6
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Posted 2022-September-13, 16:08

View Postmichel444, on 2022-September-13, 12:48, said:



6 diamond is makeable if finesse work
the final contract is 3NT making 6

North "opened" with a Forcing Pass and didn't alert it?
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Posted 2022-September-13, 17:27

View PostGilithin, on 2022-September-13, 16:08, said:

North "opened" with a Forcing Pass and didn't alert it?

FP is ilegal under ACBL regulation this was a simulation not a game in a Club !!!
half of the biding sequence is missing and i enter every bid of the process
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Posted 2022-September-14, 04:00

The only thing that changes if east overcalls is that it gives you a reason to believer the diamond finesse is working if you can determine that is the keycard that's missing
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