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Do you overcall?

#1 User is offline   AL78 

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Posted 2022-April-23, 01:31

IMP pairs, 2 1/2 tables, NS vuln:

West
AK983
2
J542
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LHO and partner pass, RHO opens a weak 2. Your call?
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Posted 2022-April-23, 02:18

Pass is automatic
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Posted 2022-April-23, 04:09

View PostTMorris, on 2022-April-23, 02:18, said:

Pass is automatic


It is because partner is likely to do something stupid if we bid or double, partner is virtually certain to hold 10-11 points. It's not a terrible gamble if you play lebensohl here that if you double parner will bid a forcing 3suit that you can pass and very likely make.

Is Qxx, xxxx, KQxx, Ax so terribly unlikely where they can make 3 and you can make 4/ if both pointy suits are 3-2 ?

The danger is that the layout is close to the above and the pointy suits are both 4-1 so they're making game and you're not.
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Posted 2022-April-23, 05:15

I passed thinking this was not quite worth a two level overcall (would have liked a sixth spade with so few HCP). This is what happened:



6 imps out when partner understandibly failed to find the Q lead which is the only lead to get it down. Other table were in 4-1.

Again, I wonder if it is me being too passive or have I just been shafted here.
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Posted 2022-April-23, 05:50

Mostly bad luck. I would not have opened that south hand 2, and 2NT Ogust is also optimistic.
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Posted 2022-April-23, 06:33

View PostAL78, on 2022-April-23, 05:15, said:

I passed thinking this was not quite worth a two level overcall (would have liked a sixth spade with so few HCP). This is what happened:



6 imps out when partner understandibly failed to find the Q lead which is the only lead to get it down. Other table were in 4-1.

Again, I wonder if it is me being too passive or have I just been shafted here.

What would/should west's double of 3NT mean?
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Posted 2022-April-23, 08:16

View PostAL78, on 2022-April-23, 05:15, said:

Again, I wonder if it is me being too passive or have I just been shafted here.

You weren't too passive. South's 2H is conservative, and only within range because North is a passed hand. You can get your overcall in if they open 1H, but otherwise it's just too dangerous. Sometimes preempts work.
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Posted 2022-April-23, 09:08

View PostAL78, on 2022-April-23, 05:15, said:

I passed thinking this was not quite worth a two level overcall
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6 imps out when partner understandibly failed to find the Q lead which is the only lead to get it down. Other table were in 4-1.

Again, I wonder if it is me being too passive or have I just been shafted here.

We too have some pairs that will open weak twos that are well worth a 1 level opening. It's frustrating but there isn't much one can do about it except to remember this behaviour (and nag them about accurate disclosure).

With some of my partners a double of 3NT would have obtained the spades lead (or 4♡ contract) you desire, maybe worth the risk given the bidding and vulnerability (although again it depends upon how much you trust the Ogust bid).
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Posted 2022-April-23, 09:18

View Postbluenikki, on 2022-April-23, 06:33, said:

What would/should west's double of 3NT mean?


Undiscussed.
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