Any way to get to game?
#3
Posted 2021-December-01, 04:55
eg if we open 1♣ and subsequently bid a major, we have a 15+ count or a 5th club unless exactly 4414 (which is rare so normally not accounted for in decision making) so E might overvalue his hand.
#4
Posted 2021-December-01, 05:31
East makes a neg. X, ..., some will claim is showes 44, which would obviously be brilliant, but
is not the case, it would reduce the frequency of the bid too much, and South will raise.
This leaves West, holding a min opener, but with likely major suit fit: He could make a
responsive double, the single being enough compensation for the lack of high card power.
Facing the responsive double, with nothing to spare, East will bid his 4 carder, and thats it.
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#5
Posted 2021-December-01, 12:23
I dont think east can make a negative double.while I dont believe that such a double can never be on 4-3 majors, such doubles should, imo, be very rare indeed there is a significant risk of reaching a 4-3 fit. Im not afraid of moysians, having played many in my day, but Id want stronger hearts and a slightly stronger overall hand for that auction when 4=3. Give me the same hand with AQxx in hearts and Id double.
With a pass by east, south should imo definitely bump the auction to 3D, although ironically that might backfire if west takes an aggressive view.
West could double 3D and this should, imo, fetch 4D by responder, who would convert 4H to 4S, showing basically his hand. If he had 4 hearts, hed pass 4H. If he had 5+ spades, hed have bid 4S over the double (with these values), so 4D then 4S shows a club fit as well.
Whether west should double is a tough one. Obviously its tempting to let knowledge of the hands influence our thinking. Its always amusing to see how well some posters bid when they know the hands, lol.
In fact, I think that there will be glass half empty days when I pass and others when I double.
If south passes, west clearlydoubles. Then they reach 3S or 4S probably 3S
#6
Posted 2021-December-01, 14:52
mikeh, on 2021-December-01, 12:23, said:
I doubt I'm going to convince you to play weak NT anytime soon, but I'll point out this is the poster hand for weak NT. East can make a negative double safe in the knowledge that West is 15+ or unbalanced.
I think we get 1C-(2D)-X-(3D)-X-(P)-3S-AP
Actually, I probably double with East even playing strong NT. But that's not because it's right; it's because I play too much weak NT.
#7
Posted 2021-December-01, 16:09
akwoo, on 2021-December-01, 14:52, said:
I think we get 1C-(2D)-X-(3D)-X-(P)-3S-AP
Actually, I probably double with East even playing strong NT. But that's not because it's right; it's because I play too much weak NT.
Lol
Ive played 10-12 in a Bermuda bowl. Ive played 11-14 in a team trials final. Ive played 12-14, 10-13, 13-15, and in my current most serious partnership will be playing 11-13 in the WC in March (along with 14-16, depending on seat and vulnerability). I think I probably played 16-18 when I learned the game in the 1970s and of course played a lot of 15-17.
So I think I can claim to be reasonably familiar with virtually every 1N range played anywhere for the past 50 years (other than ranges starting below 10)
#8
Posted 2021-December-01, 16:43
On this hand, we will end in 2♠, or maybe 3♠ if W overbids with 3♦, but E is not going to accept an invite, already having stretched with the dbl.
#9
Posted 2021-December-01, 17:58
We probably don't get to game, but it's close. After 1♣-(2♦)-X-(3♦); X (responsive)-(P)-3♠-(P); ? the question is if West is worth another bid. I think the hand is not, but aggressive bidders might disagree (and what kind of contract is 3♠ anyway?!).
South might jump to 4♦ instead of 3♦. Good luck doubling that, and even then it only seems to go 2 off.
#10
Posted 2021-December-02, 21:32
Pass by south 3d raising a major suit bid by east to the 4 level.
3d by south 4d asking east to bid a major
4d by south 4h (on the way to 5c just in case E has 4 hearts) E will then bid 4s just in case W also has 4 spades)
#11
Posted 2021-December-02, 22:45
helene_t, on 2021-December-01, 16:43, said:
On this hand, we will end in 2♠, or maybe 3♠ if W overbids with 3♦, but E is not going to accept an invite, already having stretched with the dbl.
Why on earth would west bid 3D? If he wants to be in game, his bid is 4D
3D then raising to game is a slam try.
#12
Posted 2021-December-03, 20:40
mikeh, on 2021-December-02, 22:45, said:
3D then raising to game is a slam try.
Please remember this is the novice / beginner forum mikeh, your point about 3♦ cue versus 4♦ cue is interesting but it's new to me and I'm not a beginner or novice player
#14
Posted 2021-December-04, 14:01
OTOH, if E passes, W may double, and then E bids 3♠.